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To The Moriel Message Board Administrator: The Lord Jesus Christ is Not Lucifer

This article is in reference to a post I made on (Jacob Prasch's) Moriel Message Board in the Expository Bible Study Forum in February, 2003 that was deleted almost immediately and without explanation. My posting privileges were also instantly terminated. The name of the thread is Lucifer. I was planning on leaving the forum but remained there a bit longer because I was shocked that readers were being conditioned to think that the occult in fantasy form is acceptable to God and that Satan cannot harm a Christian. It reminded me of Jim Pappas' slant on Pilgrim's Progress: Satan Has No Power? 

I responded to the Lucifer thread on the Moriel Message Board because I was grieved that a poster who claimed to be a Christian was quoting sources that promote the New Age lie that Lucifer is not Satan, and is actually the Lord Jesus Christ. Moriel Ministries did not counter this post and caution this poster to dispense with such commentaries that promote the New Age agenda and blaspheme the Lord Jesus Christ. 

Shortly after I posted a letter which included a warning that Lucifer is not Jesus Christ, it was deleted from the Moriel Message board. I am now writing a new article pertaining to the Lucifer thread and sharing it here because I am no longer permitted to post to the Moriel Message Board.

The Lord Jesus Christ is NOT Lucifer

The Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown’s commentary on Isaiah 14:12-15: v12 states:

Lucifer – “day star”. A title truly belonging to Christ (Rev 22:16), “the bright and morning star” and hereafter to be assumed by Antichrist. (end quote)

According to this commentary, Lucifer means "day star" which is "a title truly belonging to Christ."  Does Lucifer really mean day star? 

Day star appears only once in the Bible:

"2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:"

Look at the context of the phrase, "day star" within this verse. It is plain that "day star" refers to the Lord Jesus Christ rising in your heart, not Satan!

The very next verse tells us:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Pe 1:19. 

To assert that day star means Lucifer is a private interpretation that will set the Christian up to eventually merge with the occult Kingdom of Antichrist! Occult means hidden, and private interpretations are interpretations that derive hidden or secret meanings in the Holy Bible. It is only by the derivation of a hidden (occult) meaning that one could possibly come to the conclusion that Lucifer means "day star." 

This commentary stated blasphemy, and I suspect that most Bible study notes and footnotes say essentially the same thing. New Agers need Christians to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ and Lucifer are the same, but merely appear to be different and they are actively teaching this falsehood:

One of today's most influential New Age authors and lecturers, David Spangler, teaches on Lucifer and "Christ." In his book, Reflections on the Christ, Spangler explains that "Christ is the same force as Lucifer but moving in seemingly the opposite direction" and that "Christ is the perfect balance to Lucifer."


The Falling-Away-Christian-World is Embracing Spangler's Vision!

According to the New Age leader David Spangler, humankind will completely embrace Lucifer and allow Lucifer to indwell them in an unprecedented way. Spangler's vision is for a new global order that is ruled by the "Lord of the World." 

See: (external link) Lucifer Rising Part 2: The Occult Initiation

Mankind, with the exception of the few who find everlasting life, has embraced Lucifer and they are allowing him to indwell them in unprecedented ways due to their fascination with the occult and round the clock mass media indoctrination.

Those who working to bring about the falling away of the church from the faith of the real Lord Jesus have largely succeeded in implementing Spangler's vision. God's people are falling for "the lie" and are embracing Lucifer in an unprecedented way because they have conceded that the title of the Lord Jesus Christ may be granted to Lucifer because "Christian" imposters have convinced them this is the scholarly thing to do. It is not. It is the denying Christ thing to do. The Lord Jesus Christ cares very much if his followers interchange Him with Satan:

"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1Jo 1:5

God loves to have mercy on his people who will forsake sin:

 "A broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." Ps 57:15 

God will revive your spirit if you will renounce the modern practice of believing the scholars over the written Word of God and repent before him:

"For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Is. 57:15


Posts That Asked Moriel Leaders, Why?

The deletion of my post and the removal of my posting privileges occurred shortly after I asked Dave Roylem Moriel's South Africa Director, why he chose to identify himself with the satanic Star Wars character, Darth Sith Master:


Would you please explain how identifying yourself with an occultic character--a Sith Master-- is glorifying to the Lord Jesus Christ?

Your positions are Pastor of Aletheia CC and Director of Moriel Missions South Africa.

I am assuming that Moriel is in agreement with you being in leadership with them and promoting the occultic Star Wars by the phrase you have chosen to identify yourself with. Is that correct?

Are occult-themed movies pleasing to the Lord Jesus Christ? If not, then why are you identifying yourself with one? Is the occult a joke to the Lord Jesus Christ? Is it a joke to you and also another moderator on this forum? What is going on here?

Lisa Ruby
Liberty To The Captives

Dave Royle, missionary and director of the Moriel Bible College responded in this flippant manner:

Sorry Lisa!
My grandad was a freemason. My Grandma Took drugs, My uncle was a Roman Catholic and my mum had her palm read by Gypsy Rose Lee.
Listen I have taken great time and effort and so have others to show you through scripture that you believe nonsense, in fact you and your ilk give more power and glory to Satan than he has.
Read the material, argue biblically and I will take your comments seriously.

May the force be with you


I also asked other serious questions that were not answered:


"The Force" is Satan. You are saying may Satan be with me. Ha, ha. This is so funny in the sight of the Lord Jesus Christ, right? No, it is not, but someone approves. Who does?

I have just learned that the Midrach is promoted and studied here at Moriel.

What is the Midrash? Well, in searches the word appears pretty consistently with the Talmud, Jewish Mysticism and the Kabbalah. In fact, the Midrash is a part of the Talmud, correct?

What is Moriel's definition of the Midrash and what does this have to do with Jewish mysticism-- Kabbalah?

Does Moriel teach Midrash ha-Ne'elam (Secret Midrash) which is Kabbalistic? See

Also, does Moriel presently have any articles warning against Jewish Mysticism and the Kabbalah?

Lisa Ruby
Liberty To The Captives


The Moriel moderators avoided further inquiry by locking the thread.


Jewish Believer Warns Against Talmud and Kabbalah

Avram Yehoshua warns about the Talmud and Kabbalah: "The Talmud was begun in Babylon, with all its pagan-occult influences, long after Kings David and Solomon were dead. And the Kabala is not part of the Word of God. Kabala is Jewish sorcery." See: The Star of David Also see: Talmud and Authority

The Lord Jesus Christ commands His people to touch not the unclean thing. The unclean thing can come in the form of spiritual writings, symbols,  fictional entertainment, making light of sin, or other ways. 

"Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour." Proverbs 14:9. 

The world does such things because they are in darkness, but a  Christian knows this is sin in the sight of God.

I exposed the problem and they removed me. If you are a Christian and are posting at Moriel, you have the obligation before God to counter posts (yes even by the moderators and administrators) that portray God as tolerating darkness in his own people! God is absolutely holy, with no darkness at all. Souls are at stake, and the narrow way includes you being willing to stand up for Jesus on the internet. 

For documentation, see the last three pages of the Prophecy & the Last Days forum-- Left Behind 2: The Movie.  

Edited February 28, 2003: Moriel removed the entire thread mentioned above. You may read the last two pages here:

I warn against yoking with the Moriel Ministries Message Board because Dave Royle refused to answer me publicly when I asked him if they had any present articles which warn against the Kabbalah. The Kaballah is Jewish Mysticism and is a powerful doorway for Satan to use to afflict a Christian. 

Moriel promotes the falsehood that Satan cannot be given place in a Christian's life. This false teaching paves the way for a Christian to accept the idea of not abstaining from all appearance of evil because demons, according to Moriel, cannot harm a Christian! The Holy Bible is clear that if place (opportunity) is given to Satan, he will take it.

Moriel's South Africa director, Dave Royle, [who, in 2006 continues to hold a high position in Moriel Ministries] is providing a soul-subverting example. He is not abstaining from all appearance of evil, but instead, is marking himself with an evil appearance.  He is making light of the occult and further desensitizing the Moriel readers to the seriousness of this sin.

The Moriel Ministries Website and Occult Symbolism

Occult symbolism used to be displayed on the Moriel Ministries website:

"Until he ravamped his Moriel website in 1999, Jacob Prasch had the seven candle menorah as part of their Logo. The 9-candle menorah, called a Chanukiah, is now displayed on Jacob Prasch’s Logo, Calvary Chapel Jerusalem and many other sites. 

***See Update--Logo has been changed in 2002.***

It is used to celebrate Chanukah or Hanukkah, also called The Feast of Lights, or Feast of the Maccabees which is celebrated December 20. Contemporary use of the Chanukiah is in celebration of the victory of pseudo-Messiah, Judas Maccabee and his brothers over the oppressor about 166 BC. The story includes the cleansing of the Temple and the legend of oil miraculously burning for eight days."

(Quote source: The Legend of Hanukkah")

To understand the full occult significance of the symbols, please read the articles Christian Occult Symbols, Hexagrams and Doves 

Here is the link for the archived 1999 Moriel website

Please obey the Holy Spirit in response to this information. The Lord Jesus Christ loves you and is calling his remnant out of the falling away church by bringing matters to your attention that you need to pluck out so that you may be blameless before him at his coming.

Our Lord Jesus said, "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." Mathew 18:9

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