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Scientology and Terri Schiavo, Is there a Connection?
Liberty of the Captives ^ | 06.13.04 | Lisa Ruby

Posted on 06/23/2004 9:01:47 AM PDT by Coleus

Scientology and Terri Schindler Schiavo: The Death Connection

Scientology Doctrine:  Michael Schiavo Removed Terri From Society

Keeping Terri Disabled: Michael's Illegal Pretext to Kill 

Florida Law Vs Scientology Policy

Scientology, The Clearwater Bar Association, and Judge Greer

Scientology and Terri Schindler Schiavo: The Death Connection

Terrisfight.org: A Hidden Agenda

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Is there a connection? Another Piece of the puzzle? Read on.

Please direct your comments to Lisa Ruby, thanks.
 

1 posted on 06/23/2004 9:01:49 AM PDT by Coleus

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To: Lisa Ruby; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...

2 posted on 06/23/2004 9:03:46 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)

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To: Coleus

No idea why how Scientology could be linked to this case...Scientology is all about combating pesty invading aliens :-)

3 posted on 06/23/2004 9:34:45 AM PDT by The Bandit

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To: Coleus; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

ping.

4 posted on 06/23/2004 10:04:44 AM PDT by cgk (3000+ 9/11. Pearl, Fallujah, Berg, Jacobs, Scroggs, Johnson, Sun-il... Never forget. Never Again!)

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To: Coleus; russesjunjee

Greer have had the Scientology MacPherson case a long time ago. Trust me. There's so much corruption in our county that it wouldn't surprise me if they were somehow connected.

When the hammer comes down, hopefully we'll see some major perp walks.
 

5 posted on 06/23/2004 12:22:30 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)

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To: Coleus

And this... George Felos used his widely known mind control techniques, imo on Michael Schiavo. Doesn't meant HINO wasn't bad to begin with but with mind control, it can only make things worse.

Felos definitely is using cult techniques trying to isolate Terri and to inflict sensory deprivation upon her. She hasn't been outside for THREE YEARS. The nurses have strict instructions re: what objects can be in Terri's room. BIRTHDAY CARDS were taken down by Hospice employees last December 3rd.

Mind control and scientology use the same techniques. Felos openly calls it mind control and scientology just identifies it as positive thinking when you go for their dogma. Felos practices Yoga and does special breathing techniques to forget about all the tubes he's pulled and the sci's use breathing techniques on potential newbies which causes hyperventilation. When you are weak and also dizzy, they can begin to indoctrinate. True, true, true.

I'm sorry that Greta Van Susteren is a scientologist. She has had Terri's family on without Felos however. Felos demanded equal time the next evening. He's awful.
 

6 posted on 06/23/2004 12:31:07 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)

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To: floriduh voter

Floriduh voter,

Michael changed his story about how he found Terri

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY
2 CIVIL DIVISION
DATE AND TIME: July 27, 1992; 9:05 a.m. CASE NO. 92-939CI-15
p.99 Michael Schiavo Deposition Medical Malpractice Pt 4
24 Q Now, what -- when you saw her, do you know
25 what time it was? ___
p.103 of MS Depo Med Mal Pt 4
1 A I believe it was almost five a.m..
2 Q When you saw her, how was she lying; in other
3 words, on her back or --
4 A On her back.
5 Q Did she make any sound at all before she fell
6 that you heard?

Excerpts of Michael Schiavo's July 27, 1992 Deposition http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/forthelifeofterrischiavo/message/31

CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
STATE OF FLORIDA IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY
PROBATE DIVISION
CASE NO. 90-2908-GD3 January 24, 2000
BEFORE: GEORGE W. GREER Circuit Court Judge
PLACE: Clearwater Courthouse
Clearwater, FL 33756

Q Michael, tell me what occurred on
11 February 25, 1990.
12 A I got home late from work that night. I
13 came in the house. Terri woke up. She heard me.
14 I gave her a kiss good night. She gave me a kiss
15 good night. A few hours later, I was getting out
16 of bed for some reason and I heard this thud. So
17 I ran out into the hall and I found Terri on the
18 floor. I knelt down next to her and I turned her
19 over because she sort of fell on her face. On her
20 stomach and face.
21 I turned her over going, "Terri, Terri.

Michael Schiavo's testimony January 24, 2000 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/forthelifeofterrischiavo/message/34

Michael Schiavo changed his story about how he found Terri! Which account is true? Is either account true?

Pat Anderson met the Schindlers in April, 2000. Do you know what she has done about Michael's conflicting testimony regarding how he found Terri?

Would you please post court records that show what (if anything) Pat Anderson has done regarding the serious implications of Michael's conflicting testimony?

Thank you,

Lisa Ruby

7 posted on 06/23/2004 12:46:12 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: Lisa Ruby; phenn; KDubRN

Also at odds are how he happened to awaken in the first place. Pinging phenn and KDub to your question.
 

8 posted on 06/23/2004 3:01:56 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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To: The Bandit

The Scientology Emotional Tone Scale -- I believe you are kidding, but that's just in case others don't realize it.

The above a link is from Lisa's link http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_doctrine_remove_disabled_from_society.html
 

9 posted on 06/23/2004 3:10:43 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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To: cyn

What do you mean by the question about kidding?

Hubbard's writings clearly reveal the emotional tone scale is Scientology's gauge of "worthiness" to live in society and enjoy civil rights.
 

10 posted on 06/23/2004 3:26:38 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: cyn

Cyn,

Oh, I see you were replying to Bandit in post #3, not asking me about the tone scale.

11 posted on 06/23/2004 3:47:23 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: cyn

1- heard a thump and got up
2- got up for some reason and then heard a thump
3- was in the process of getting up and heard something

In deposition, Michael was asked about his mum.
Q. Your mother's name is Claire?
A. Clara.
Q. Is that with an "A".
A. Something like that.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT? It's your mother's name, for screaming in a bucket!!

Didn't know the year he got married. Didn't know how long he worked for his present employer. Didn't know how long he lived in Florida and on and on.

When he spoke of Terri's 'wish' to be starved and dehydrated, his statement was NOT:
"We were watching a movie called (title) and the star (name) was in a coma and Terri said "Now, I'm telling you, Michael. I don't want to be sustained on life support for any reason. You dig?"

What he said was:
"We would be watching some programs..." and "Terri said 'No tubes for me'."

Would be watching WHAT???? What the #$%& kind of statement is that? What tubes? Did she refer to a feeding tube specifically? Did she lay everything out for the guy? Was that really a matter of great importance to her? If so, howzcome nobody else on the bloody planet knows? Wouldn't you tell your mum and dad or, at least, your brother/best-friend if something like that crossed your mind and you felt it important?

THESE STATEMENTS are clear and convincing evidence? Why couldn't he, at very least, nail what 'programs' they 'would' be watching?

My head - she's a gonna asplode.

Is there anyone, outside of Judge Greer, who would look on such statements as 'clear' or 'convincing'?

Yes, I'm paraphrasing to a slight degree, but only a slight one. Read the documents and your head gonna asplode as well.

12 posted on 06/23/2004 4:35:44 PM PDT by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)

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To: Lisa Ruby; pc93

Pat Anderson could do kartwheels and it wouldn't matter to Judge Greer. I know Pat's done a lot of motions to have Michael removed as guardian. It's probably within one of those motions re: Michael's conflicting accounts. I don't have any of those motions handy but maybe Juan knows where you could look on line.
 

13 posted on 06/23/2004 7:20:58 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)

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To: floriduh voter

Would you be willing to contact someone on the helpterri yahoo list and acquire the court documents that show how Pat Anderson has dealt with the specific matter of Michael's conflicting testimony regarding how he found Terri? If indeed, she has?

The helpterri yahoo list has a restricted membership. The group owner has not approved my membership.http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/helpterri/

14 posted on 06/23/2004 7:39:47 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: floriduh voter

Floriduh voter wrote: " I know Pat's done a lot of motions to have Michael removed as guardian."

Yes, and why have the outcomes not been posted on terrisfight.org?

If the outcomes of the (two?) lawsuits Pat Anderson has filed on behalf of the Schindlers to remove Michael Schiavo as guardian have been posted, please tell me where this information can be found.

Thanks.

15 posted on 06/23/2004 7:51:21 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: phenn

Phenn wrote:

1- heard a thump and got up
2- got up for some reason and then heard a thump
3- was in the process of getting up and heard something

In deposition, Michael was asked about his mum.
Q. Your mother's name is Claire?
A. Clara.
Q. Is that with an "A".
A. Something like that.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT? It's your mother's name, for screaming in a bucket!!

Didn't know the year he got married. Didn't know how long he worked for his present employer. Didn't know how long he lived in Florida and on and on.

When he spoke of Terri's 'wish' to be starved and dehydrated, his statement was NOT:
"We were watching a movie called (title) and the star (name) was in a coma and Terri said "Now, I'm telling you, Michael. I don't want to be sustained on life support for any reason. You dig?"

What he said was:
"We would be watching some programs..." and "Terri said 'No tubes for me'."

Would be watching WHAT???? What the #$%& kind of statement is that? What tubes? Did she refer to a feeding tube specifically? Did she lay everything out for the guy? Was that really a matter of great importance to her? If so, howzcome nobody else on the bloody planet knows? Wouldn't you tell your mum and dad or, at least, your brother/best-friend if something like that crossed your mind and you felt it important?"

end quotation

Michael Schiavo's casual and ambiguous remarks, which Judge Greer declared was 'clear and convincing evidence, are a marking. He sent the message loud and CLEAR to everyone (including the media, which plays dumb) that the Terri Schiavo case is no ordinary case.

Michael Schiavo purposely did not try to act authentic. (He did not try to act like an authentically loving husband when he ranted in the nursing home one day, "When is that b---- gonna die?" either.)

It is all part of the Scientology plan. Michael discredited himself by his off-hand remarks and was still considered to be credible by Judge Greer.

Everyone was to know this case was a set up, and everyone was supposed to feel utterly helpless to do anything about it.

Michael Schiavo's incredible remarks, which always resulted in Judge Greer ruling his way, is one huge way Scientology has marked this case with a capital "S."
 

16 posted on 06/23/2004 8:22:00 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: phenn; floriduh voter; tutstar; amdgmary; Pegita

Hi, phenn -- yeah, it defies all logic how such obvious discrepancies are ignored by Greer et al. I know it makes my head hurt at this distance; how much more for those of you who live there and see this unfolding on your doorstep? How frustrating it must be to be in court to witness this crap, as some here have been.

Anyway, you are all in my thoughts and prayers, that you may have wisdom and discernment and everything that you need to return Terri to her parents where she belongs. May God also work in the hearts and minds of any who are working against Terri and her parents -- that has been a fervent ongoing prayer.

17 posted on 06/23/2004 8:27:19 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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To: phenn

LOL!
The only other place in the USA one can see people aimlessly wandering around in blue uniforms, without insignia, is just outside of Lackland AFB, TX!
It would be funny, except for the fact that "the media" assigns more gravitas to insane-quasi religious cults, than they do to the "truth".
 

18 posted on 06/23/2004 8:48:16 PM PDT by sarasmom (Sometimes, I wish liberals had beliefs, so I could desecrate them. (spok))

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To: cyn

>> How frustrating it must be to be in court to witness this crap, as some here have been

I'll tell you what I find the most frustrating. It's that the public is buying this nonsense hook, line and sinker.

I went to one of Mr. Felos's right-to-die seminars last year. August, I think. Certainly before he knew who I was. In any event, I cannot explain how sickening it is to hear someone trying to coo and seduce others into signing away their right to life. I eventually got up and left because I couldn't take it anymore.

Do any of these people believe for a moment that a lawyer is discussing all of this out of the goodness of his/her heart? Can they not see through the facade?

You know what it reminded me of - those MLM seminars a friend suckers you into attending. Carefully placed words and body language can make anything sound like a good idea to the masses. Well, the masses are wrong for accepting this line of thinking.

What we will end up with, if we don't start paying attention, is a medical community that has absolutely no obligation to treat you anymore. We will have a system in which vulnerable people can be absolutely flogged by greedy family members or lawyers. We're half-way there already in Florida.

There was a segment on 60 minutes last night about life support. Yes, some of the patients they were discussing were actively dying and aggressive treatment was probably only causing pain. But not every person who receives life-prolonging treatment is in that boat and not recognizing that is disastrous. I know this from personal experience. It was very creepy to hear some of these doctors relate how they felt that 'letting go' was doing the patient a favor. Beyond creepy, actually.

They had a tiny snip of Terri on the program. How did they describe her? (Everyone say it with me, now) As a "woman in a coma".

That makes the thought of killing her less of a pill to swallow to the masses. It's not so bad, then.

But, you try talking about these things to some Joe on the street and he'll think you're out of your bloody mind. They assume they are better dead than fed and it's because of this right-to-die movement and their sales techniques. These people own the media, in my opinion. They are consumate marketeers.

That is not by accident. George Soros and Robert Woods Johnson, two MASSIVE grant issuing institutions have dedicated tens of millions of dollars to these very ends. Now, instead of some families fighting to keep treatment away from an actively dying patient who is suffering, families have to fight to keep an otherwise healthy person fed.

It's called lowering the bar. It frees up beds, loosens up bank accounts, frees up some organs and dehumanizes each and every one of us in the process. But, hey, it's your 'right', babe.

You have to see it with your own eyes to believe it. But will he masses open their eyes to it? I just don't know anymore.

19 posted on 06/24/2004 4:20:08 AM PDT by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)

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To: All

60 Minutes Program on Life Support:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/21/60II/main625201.shtml

There is also a link to video, but I've not checked it out.
 

20 posted on 06/24/2004 4:28:51 AM PDT by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)

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To: phenn; Ohioan from Florida; CindyDawg; Pegita; PrepareToLeave; amdgmary; pc93; FL_engineer

Did I tell you about talking to folks in the Tampa WalMart on my way in to the vigil? One on one, people "get it" when they get their questions answered, and across the board, they wanted Terri to be returned to her family.

The MOST powerful arguement, not surprisingly, is the video of Terri responding as her mother fusses over her as only a mom can. That is something everyone can relate to. As is lighting up when her father teases her or her brother talks about music. Terrisfight has the truth, the most powerful weapon, contained in that videotape.

I have no doubt that Felos et al are working on their agenda day by day. They will work to make even the removal of Terri's teeth play into their scheme.

How best to address that agenda is the question on our minds. Esp. since "These people own the media . . .They are consumate marketeers." -- but we are relying not on our own power or wisdom, but on the Lord, individually seeking God's wisdom and will in this, and then coming together as a group.
 

21 posted on 06/24/2004 7:23:50 AM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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To: phenn; floriduh voter; PrepareToLeave; tutstar

Let me remind you all of the obvious that we have all acknowledged before: this is a spiritual battle in the ongoing war against Satan. I don't understand every detail, but I do know what side I want to be on.

"I know Whom I have believed in,
and am persuaded that He is able
to keep that which I've committed
unto Him against that Day."

"These are the days of Elijah . . . righteousness being restored" -- *these* are the days (it is perception, what saints have known from the first). If that doesn't give one goosebumps and make one want to be very, very sure to be walking close to Jesus and praying for God's true wisdom and guidance day by day, I don't know what will.

How very oppressive it must be in the courtroom! Others have made that observation as well. There is such a heaviness in your area over all. I got it via the telephone just talking to Debra Bushnell's office. How exhausting is, beyond the physical toll.

So ya'll take good care of yourselves, and know that we are keeping Terri, her family, and you all in our prayers -- many of us at 8 and/or 11 am and at all hours of the day and night.
 

22 posted on 06/24/2004 7:55:47 AM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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11. . . prayers continue for Terri, her family, and all who support her. I thank God for all who are working for Terri and her family.

May God richly bless us today and in the future with the knowledge, wisdom, and discernment we need to sift through all the information available. May He bring to Terri's fight *everything* Terri's family needs to be victorious over the forces of evil that are arrayed against them. May any who are weary, even exhausted, be refreshed and renewed in Him.

Above all, may we each consider our relationship with our Creator and look for what is pleasing to Him. There truly is no hope in anyone but Jesus. This prayer is for nonbelievers as well as those who believe . . . for God is able, beyond all we can ask or imagine. We cannot know how all this will work out. I just pray for Terri's sake that it will.

23 posted on 06/24/2004 8:03:26 AM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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To: cyn

I believe the hardest thing is for people to accept this could happen in this country. I had my doubts at first too. It's just so outrageous it is unbelievable. If Terri ever allowed to go to court all this over IMO.

24 posted on 06/24/2004 8:57:30 AM PDT by CindyDawg

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To: Lisa Ruby

If the outcomes of the (two?) lawsuits Pat Anderson has filed on behalf of the Schindlers to remove Michael Schiavo as guardian have been posted, please tell me where this information can be found.

To my knowledge, there has been no outcome to these lawsuits, as they are still pending. Greer hasn't seen fit to put them on the court docket. The closest to an outcome has been is that arguments were issued a week ago, wherein evidence was entered by Pat verbally into the court record that Terri did not lose her teeth due to nonuse, but rather poor hygiene.

Greer IMHO has no interest in removing Michael as guardian, because naming someone else will mean that all that Michael did/did not do will be looked into. Greer will be exposed for what he has allowed to happen to Terri.
 

25 posted on 06/24/2004 9:39:27 AM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)

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To: Ohioan from Florida

Ohioan wrote: "wherein evidence was entered by Pat verbally into the court record that Terri did not lose her teeth due to nonuse, but rather poor hygiene."

Is the Writ of Quo Warranto hearing transcript posted on terrisfight.org? If not, when will it be posted?

Pamela Hennessey revealed on the tbi board that Judge Greer refused to hear Pat Anderson's expert witness:

"The Schindler's attorney intended to testify an expert witness - specifically a dentist/oral surgeon who would give testimony that 5 teeth don't decay due to nonuse (as was Schiavo's attorney's claim) and that leaving such a large opening will cause further damage. That witness never testified because of objections from Schiavo's attorney. However, it got a little weird from there."

Did Pat Anderson cite information from Terri's dental records? Her specialty is getting documents, and if she wanted those documents she surely would have them.
 

26 posted on 06/24/2004 10:03:25 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: Lisa Ruby

Adding the link to Phenn's remarks:

http://tbihome.org/cgi-bin/terri.pl?read=1121

27 posted on 06/24/2004 10:04:25 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: CindyDawg; cyn; phenn

You are all right. There's so many reasons why people are reluctant.

First- they've been spoon-fed misinformation from the get-go. It's amazing to me that so many think the mainstream media is telling the truth without ever investigating it on their own. They don't seem to understand that anything (true or untrue) can be published. Everything we read is basically someone's "take" on a situation, sometimes backed up with facts, and sometimes not. You can tell a lot about what someone is saying by understanding what they're not saying as well. Felos and Michael are great examples of this. What they don't say can be just as important (even more so) than what they do say.

Second- so many are just living in this bubble world that trusts what the powers that be say. They can't imagine that this could be happening in our country. But we have been led like sheep to the slaughter. We have been asleep while this has been happening all around us. It's been going on for years, and Terri is just one more stepping stone down the path of the slippery slope.

It's high time we all pay attention to the misdeeds going on around us. We are our brother's keeper. Terri is precious, and I just pray that many more will begin to see how precious she is. People have allowed themselves to be snowed by the media and the seedy likes of Michael and Felos.

28 posted on 06/24/2004 10:29:26 AM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)

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To: CindyDawg

CindyDawg wrote: "I believe the hardest thing is for people to accept this could happen in this country."

It is happening in CLEARWATER, Florida rather than "this country" meaning in a generic sense.

The citizens of Clearwater, Florida, (Scientology headquarters) were thoroughly conditioned to accept the multitude of illegalities perpetrated against Terri Schindler Schaivo. How? By the fact that Scientology ultimately got away with zero criminal ramifications for the dehydration death of Lisa McPherson.

After seven years, Scientology suddenly backed off and settled secretly out of court. (translation: Scientology paid a settlement for what they did to Lisa McPherson!) http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/29/Tampabay/Scientologists_settle.shtml

Must read: The Life and Death of a Scientoogist http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/wp981206.html

29 posted on 06/24/2004 10:35:01 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: Lisa Ruby

This thread is specifically about the Scientology connection. The posts that are diversionary would be better suited to one of the other Terri Schiavo threads.

30 posted on 06/24/2004 10:39:58 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: CindyDawg; cyn; phenn

This thread is specifically about the Scientology connection. The posts that are diversionary would be better suited to one of the other Terri Schiavo threads.

Lisa Ruby

31 posted on 06/24/2004 10:43:19 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: Lisa Ruby

Pat Anderson read into the court record what the dentist would have said regarding the decay of Terri's teeth, that nonuse does not cause decay, as Schiavo's lawyers claim. I don't think she has any access to Terri's dental records other than what she was faxed by Deborah Bushnell, that Terri had 5 teeth extracted recently due to decay. This was done to Terri during the period of time when her family was not allowed to visit her.

33 posted on 06/24/2004 12:17:59 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)

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To: CindyDawg; Lisa Ruby

I agree, CD. Reminds me of this.

It is my hope and prayer that all information, all debate leads to positive action and the ultimate release of Terri to her family. Prayers continue for all involved in this tough battle. Those of us at a distance cannot imagine how tough it is to be there.

Thanks for your work-in-progress on scientology, Lisa. I'd read some scary stuff on it a while back esp. in relation to their disregard for any not deemed up to their standards. I'm too tired to look up the links right now, but may try to post later.

I am more grateful than ever for the preparatory work on the scene before the vigil began. Freegards to all.
 

34 posted on 06/24/2004 4:21:20 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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To: Ohioan from Florida

Ohioan from Florida wrote:

"Pat Anderson read into the court record what the dentist would have said regarding the decay of Terri's teeth, that nonuse does not cause decay, as Schiavo's lawyers claim." end quotation

Did Pat Anderson say anything else in order to prove that Michael Schiavo is not a fit guardian under Florida law?

Also, would someone please answer about the Writ of Quo Warranto transcript? When will this (unedited) transcript be posted to terrisfight.org?

35 posted on 06/24/2004 5:11:04 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: Ohioan from Florida

Excerpt of summary of [Writ of Quo Warranto] hearing sent in to the Friday, June 18, 2004 Hospice Patients Alliance newsletter by Cheryl Ford, RN. [Lisa's remarks are in brackets.]

Attorney Anderson then argued the negligence of Michael Schiavo as Guardian, by stating the facts for why Terri has lost 5 teeth due to neglect and lack of routine dental care and poor dental hygiene. [Which facts did Pat Anderson state?]

Anderson requested that the court allow her to place an expert witness on the stand to provide testimony as to why teeth do not decay because of non use as was previously stated as rationale for five teeth being extracted by Deborah Bushnell.

Felos objected to expert testimony without presenting arguments to the dental facts Anderson had presented. Leaving no alternative but for the courts to accept the facts of the dental issues which Anderson meticulously and succinctly itemized.

[Simply because George Felos objected to the plaintiff's expert witness by no means leaves no alternative but for the court to accept the statements Pat Anderson chose to itemize! This leaves the impression that George Felos is in charge of the court. The alternative is for Pat Anderson to do some strong objecting and for Terri's adovocates to EXPOSE Judge Greer for what he has done yet again...act as an agent for a higher-than-Florida-law power. Why was Judge Greer's refusal to permit the expert witness to take the stand not even mentioned in this first-person account?]

Court was adjourned with Judge Greer stating he will let both attorney's know of his decisions as to his rulings to dismiss of the Writ if Warranto, or not. [By what basis could Judge Greer legally dismiss this lawsuit while refusing to hear the plaintiff's expert witness?! He refused to allow them to prove their case!]

Whether writ of warranto is dismissed or not, the dental neglect remains accepted as fact by the court based on lack of preparedness and argument on behalf of George Felos.

Pat Anderson again did another outstanding job! [May we please read the Writ of Quo Warranto transcript so we may see for ourselves Pat Anderson's outstanding job?]

Your continued support for Terri is very appreciated.

Cheryl

36 posted on 06/24/2004 5:42:14 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: cyn; Ohioan from Florida; tutstar; trustandobey

And pray for the campaign of Jan Govan for Circuit Court Judge. We need to unite to defeat George Greer. This is KEY to Terri and other's future, not because Jan Govan would get her case but GREER WOULD BE OUSTED...

I cannot stress enough the importance of helping Jan Govan beat George Greer on August 31, 2003. If freepers can't vote in the election, they can help in other ways. LET'S GET TO IT.
 

37 posted on 06/24/2004 6:43:54 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)

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Yes, Greer must be ousted considering the fact that the Florida Bar Association awarded him for the way he has handled the Terri Schiavo case!

Wally Pope, a "Church" of Scientology attorney, was the individual selected to bestow this high honor on Judge Greer. Wally cited high ideas, personal character, and judicial competence:

"Yet, in the teeth of all that, he has steadfastly demonstrated exactly what the John U. Bird award was created to honor: high ideals, personal character, judicial competence and service," lawyer Wally Pope said before bestowing the honor.

The "judicial competence" that Judge Greer has exhibited in his handling of the Terri Schiavo case is clearly the kind that ignores evidence and even Florida statutes in order to uphold Scientology doctrine—which requires the deletion of "social contagions" (the disabled) from society. It is no coincidence that a Scientology attorney personally bestowed this award to Judge Greer. Greer's decisions to consistently rule in favor of terminating a disabled person do reflect high ideals—in the sight of Scientology.

See: See: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_clearwater_bar_association_judge_greer.html

38 posted on 06/24/2004 7:12:34 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: cyn

This scientology thread is counter-productive. I'm putting new "news" over at the Terri Dailies Thread. It's something of interest for July.
 

39 posted on 06/24/2004 7:25:32 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)

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The Scientology thread is counter productive to whose agenda? Please explain.

Lisa Ruby

40 posted on 06/24/2004 7:31:48 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: Ohioan from Florida

Occult/Scientology Dates in the Terri Schiavo Case
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/for_the_life_of_terri_schiavo.html#occult%20dates


See the timeline on terrisfight.org. Specific dates are listed beginning in 2001. The date Terri was found face down on the floor clutching her neck is especially significant, but not noted in the timeline. That date is February 25, 1990, which is St. Valpurgis Day, a satanic high day in which dismemberment and blood communion is observed.

Michael Schiavo filed an affidavit alleging that Terri is in an irreversible vegetative state on June 18, 2001. June 18th is a Scientology high day:

June 18

Academy Day, in celebration of the 1964 release of L. Ron Hubbard’s study technology. (Scientology Holidays)

The beginning and ending dates selected for the trial are exceptionally powerful in occult numerology. The trial began on October 11th and ended on October 22nd of 2002.

The numbers 11, 22, and 33 are called Master numbers because those who believe in numerology believe they possess more potential than other numbers. They are highly charged, meaning the "energies" (demons) respond to these numbers and carry out their assignments more reliably.

The Master Numbers 11 (11/2) and 22 (22/4) should only be used in exceptional situations. Since 11 and 22 are both such spiritually charged numbers, they pose a delicate balance act between the spiritual and material, the positive and the negative.

http://www.path-with-heart.com/numerology/b-numbers-idx.asp

The first time Judge Greer ordered the removal of Terri's feeding tube was on Feb. 11, 2000.

Of course this order was appealed, but it was affirmed on another occult date June 6th:

On June 6, Judges Chris Altenbernd, Carolyn Fulmer and Thomas Stringer Sr. handed down a decision concurring again with Greer's original order of Feb. 11, 2000, that Terri must die.
(Quote source: World Net Daily August 2, 2003)


June 6th is a Scientology high day:

June 6 Maiden Voyage Anniversary

On this date in 1988, the Sea Org Motor Vessel Freewinds began her maiden voyage, during which New OT VIII was released publicly. In memory of that day, OT VIII completions convene aboard the Freewinds for a week of special briefings and acknowledgments to new OT VIII completions for their work in disseminating and expanding Scientology. (Scientology Holidays)

The second time Judge Greer ordered Terri's feeding tube removal was on November 22. This was the date used to schedule the actual removal of the feeding tube: January 3, 2002.

Judge Baird ruled against the Schindlers' attempts to fight against the constitutional challenge to Terri's Law on March 13, 2004, Scientology's "most important annual holiday marking the birthday of the late Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard." (Quoted from holysmoke.org) See: The Holidays of Scientology and Judge: Schiavo's parents can't join fight

The dates occultists believe to be the "most energetic" have been chosen to order the removal of Terri Schindler Schiavo's feeding tube. This is definitely calculated.

Just as the 9-11 tragedy was literally immersed in every conceivable way in satanic numerology, Terri Schiavo's case is marked in the same way. Satan's followers must follow certain protocol when implementing revolutionary changes in society. Using spiritually charged numbers (occult dates) is necessary to gain the "vibrations" they need to achieve their desired end.

Note: I am naming Ohioan as the recipient for posts to everyone because I must have a recipient in order to post. If this is a problem with you, Ohioan, please let me know.
 

41 posted on 06/24/2004 9:08:15 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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I am naming Ohioan as the recipient for posts to everyone because I must have a recipient in order to post.

Not true.
 

42 posted on 06/24/2004 9:35:16 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp

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To: Lisa Ruby

See post #42.

43 posted on 06/24/2004 9:35:56 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp

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Testing to see if I can post with no recipient.

44 posted on 06/24/2004 9:46:00 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Thanks. I will just put no recipient I guess. That way everyone will know I am talking to nobody. : )

45 posted on 06/24/2004 9:47:24 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To All:

I am recapping some questions/comments that have not been answered or addressed at this point:

Would you please post court records that show what (if anything) Pat Anderson has done regarding the serious implications of Michael's conflicting testimony? (post #7)

[no court records were posted so I assume Pat Anderson has done nothing about the serious implications Michael Schiavo's conflicting testimony about how he found Terri.]

Floriduh Voter was asked: "Would you be willing to contact someone on the helpterri yahoo list and acquire the court documents that show how Pat Anderson has dealt with the specific matter of Michael's conflicting testimony regarding how he found Terri? If indeed, she has? (post #14)

[Floriduh Voter did not respond]

I explained the reason Greer is ignoring Michael Schiavo's discrepancies in post #16 citing Scientology. Notice that Cyn said, "Hi, phenn -- yeah, it defies all logic how such obvious discrepancies are ignored by Greer et al."

It does not defies logic. (This implies that there is no reason why Michael would purposely undermine his credibility and yet be consistently "believed" by Judge Greer. It is entirely logical when one looks at the methodology of Scientology. And they have not confined this technique to the Schiavo case.

Nobody responded to this question: "Is the Writ of Quo Warranto hearing transcript posted on terrisfight.org? If not, when will it be posted?" (post 26) Why is this simple question being ignored?

Since there are several parallels between the Lisa McPherson case and the Terri Schiavo case, it is rather telling that these remarks are being ignored: "The citizens of Clearwater, Florida, (Scientology headquarters) were thoroughly conditioned to accept the multitude of illegalities perpetrated against Terri Schindler Schaivo. How? By the fact that Scientology ultimately got away with zero criminal ramifications for the dehydration death of Lisa McPherson." (post 29)

I appreciate Ohioan informing me that "Pat Anderson read into the court record what the dentist would have said regarding the decay of Terri's teeth, that nonuse does not cause decay, as Schiavo's lawyers claim" but I (as well as others) are concerned that my comments regarding the Excerpt of the summary of Writ of Quo Warranto were ignored. (post 36) It seems that "Terri's advocates" are under someone's control.

Post 38, which cited the fact that Scientology attorney Wally Pope presented Judge Greer with a prestigious award (John U. Bird award) for the way he handled the Terri Schiavo case was also ignored. It appears that these subjects cause the Terri advocate leaders some discomfort.

Floriduh Voter (signaling that this thread is taboo?) wrote: "This scientology thread is counter-productive." (post 39)

I asked for an explanation for the above comment but received none. (post 40)

Post 41 is about the Occult/Scientology Dates in the Terri Schiavo Case. I think the fact that Scientology dates were used in the Lisa McPherson case is an interesting parallel:

The Scientologists do not care if you contact Bernie McCabe. It took Bernie two years to file charges against the Scientologists after Lisa McPherson died of severe dehydration—while in their custody! The two felonies Bernie finally charged them with were: abuse/neglect of a disabled adult and the illegal practice of medicine.

The Scientologists were indicted on Friday the 13th, a "lucky" day for those in the occult. See: Felony Indictment November 13, 1998 Satan's followers believe that if events are scheduled on satanically-marked days—especially a high satanic day like Friday the 13th—the outcome will be to their advantage. High-level Scientologists knew that since an indictment was inevitable, it was best that it be done on a day in which vibrations (demons) would be compelled to perform in favor of the "church" of Scientology. (See: Occult/Scientology Dates in the Terri Schiavo Case)

Not long after the beleaguered Dr. Joan Wood changed her report regarding the cause of Lisa McPherson's death from "undetermined" to "accidental," Bernie McCabe dropped the charges. Bernie chose to free the "church" of Scientology of all charges on June 12, 2000, a Scientology holiday (highday):

June 12: National Founding Day Scotland, to celebrate the founding of the Hubbard Academy of Personal Independence in Edinburgh, Scotland in 1968. (The Holidays of Scientology)

Bernie McCabe's refusal to investigate the allegations against Michael Schiavo for the illegal abuse, neglect, and exploitation of his disabled wife is no longer a mystery.

Considering the fact that Scientology infiltrates groups in order to transform them into agents of the "church" or to gather intelligence, plant false information, or otherwise thwart the groups' alleged anti-Church activities; as well as create seemingly humanitarian or social reform organizations to accomplish their agenda, I ask the reader to take note of the way this thread progresses. (Partial quote from: Infiltration http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/infilt.htm)

Lisa Ruby
 

46 posted on 06/25/2004 1:28:36 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To All:

http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/infilt.htm

Infiltration
Proselytization
The primary goal of the Church of Scientology is to "clear the planet", that is, to convert the world to Scientology and impose its authority worldwide. Those who oppose its goals are considered Suppressive Persons ("SPs", or enemies) and the Church would "dispose of them quietly and without sorrow". This is Scientology's solution for people it cannot or does not wish to convert, an entirely repugnant notion in general but especially when put forth by a church.

...
[T]he handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale...is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.
...
[I]t is only necessary to delete those individuals...either by processing them enough...or simply quarantining them from the society.
...
A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Science of Survival, 1951

Those who will not accept Scientology will be "deleted" by the same "simple expedient".

Scientology proselytization is therefore distinctly different than that practiced by most other religions. Two of its more common and effective methods are:

the infiltration of groups in order to transform them into agents of the Church or to gather intelligence, plant false information, or otherwise thwart the groups' alleged anti-Church activities; and

the creation of seemingly humanitarian or social reform organizations, often hiding their Church origins and connections and working to broaden their acceptance within society.

[See Africa, Clear Continent by Chris Owen for further discussion of these ideas]
This goes well beyond normal missionary efforts and, in fact, has more in common with the covert operations of intelligence agencies than with religious conversion.

The cue in all this is, don't seek the co-operation of groups. Don't ask for permission. Just enter them and start functioning to make the group win through effectiveness and sanity.

-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB 23 June 1960, "The Special Zone Plan" (quoted in The Anderson Report, Chap.28: Scientology and Politics)

The responsibilities of the no longer extant Department of Government Affairs now fall to the Office of Special Affairs, the Church's secret service.

The goal of the Department [of Government Affairs] is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology. This is done by high level ability to control, and in its absence, by low level ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies. Control such agencies.

-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 15 August 1960, "Dept. of Govt. Affairs" (as quoted by Entheta.Net)

In 1978, the Los Angeles Times wrote of Scientology's charitable groups:

Bearing names such as American Citizens for Honesty in Government and the National Commission on Law Enforcement and Social Justice, these "gung ho groups," as church memoranda have called them, ally themselves with orthodox civil liberties and religious organizations but remain dominated by Scientologists, whose affiliation is not always made explicit in the groups' news releases.

Robert Rawitch and Robert Gillette, Church Wages Propaganda on a World Scale, 27 August 1978

Intelligence and Subversion
Many of Scientology's infiltrations begin as military-like directives identifying specific targets and goals. The following, for instance, is an excerpt from a directive signed by Mary Sue Hubbard ordering the infiltration of the World Federation of Mental Health.

OPERATING TARGETS:

To locate and investigate any member or group of the WFMH in your area.
To collect all data with regard to all such members or groups in your area.
To infiltrate any such groups in your area.
...
-Mary Sue Hubbard, GO 121569 MSH, "Programme: Intelligence: WFMH"

Project Weaver's Needle is Scientology's general infiltration guide. It directs operatives to find out useful corporate information about such things as janitorial staff and office layouts.

CONDITIONAL TARGETS:

1. Obtain ... an org board of the agency or organization to be infiltrated, and establish which office/section of the agency the C of S file is most likely to be.

2. Find out what the requirements are if any, to become employed by the agency with particular emphasis on the office/section of the agency found in CT 1 and how one goes about getting placed there. Be sure this is done very thoroughly so no requirement is missed.

These are excerpts from the Guardian Office (predecessor to the Office of Special Affairs) directive to infiltrate various U.S. Government offices in order to be forewarned of impending Government actions against Scientology and the Hubbards. The infiltrations led to the FBI raids of the Church headquarters in Los Angeles and Washington, DC in 1977, and convictions and jail sentences for 11 Church leaders including Mary Sue Hubbard, wife of founder L. Ron Hubbard.

[For further information, see: Inside Scientology's Intelligence Agencies]
OPERATING TARGETS:
FEDERAL:

1. Place an agent into the US Attorney's Office DC as a first action as this office should cover all Federal agencies that we are in litigation with or may be in litigation with.
...
3. Get an agent into the US Attorney's office LA as a simultaneous action. (This is the one Federal Agency Justice asked us to back off of on our FOI actions).
...
5. Place a separate agent into the IRS Office of International Operations (OIO) (as this office as a case preparation or investigative action going on LRH personally for income tax evasion or something similar).
...


INDIVIDUALS/NON GOVERNMENT SUITS:
...
16. Place a very secure agent into the AMA Chicago headquarters in the best position possible to obtain data on their intended actions towards us.
...


LOCAL:
...
21. Place an agent in the State Attorney General's Office in a position to learn of any intended attack.
22. Infiltrate the local District Attorney's Office (or the state's equivalent of DA). Get the agent into the best position to gain intell of any plans or actions against us.
...

Project: Early Warning System: B1, 5 Dec 1975.

Infiltrations are not restricted to U.S. agencies and organizations. Richard Behar, in his outstanding 1991 Time Magazine cover story, The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power (international version), writes:

In another domain, church linked management consulting firms have infiltrated small and middle sized companies throughout Germany, according to an expose published this month in the newsmagazine DER SPIEGEL; the consultants, who typically hide their ties to Scientology, indoctrinate employees by using Hubbard's methods."
...
In March the Free Democrats, partners in Chancellor Helmut Kohl's ruling coalition in Bonn, accused Scientology of trying to infiltrate their Hamburg branch. Meanwhile the main opposition party, the Social Democrats, has been warning its members in the formerly communist eastern part of the country against exploitation by the church.

Canadian government agencies and other organizations have fallen victim to CoS infiltrations, too: the Ontario Medical Association, the Canadian Mental Health Association, the Ontario and Toronto police, and even the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Though difficult to believe, Scientology planned an infiltration of a country. The BULGRAVIA project (BULgaria, GReece, Albania, YugoslaVIA) appears to have begun in 1992 with initial plans to establish industries, newspapers, transportation, and telecommunications systems in Albania as the first step in establishing a Scientology state in the Balkans.

The Church has an extensive history of infiltrations, both successful and unsuccessful. It is the editors' contention that under this doctrine, Scientology is seeking to expand within the African American community (among others) and that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) is currently a primary target.

47 posted on 06/25/2004 1:37:43 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Scientology's foolproof method of judge tampering -- Interesting, from one of your links. I'd read the info on fair gaming a while back -- it is chilling stuff.

Might the "counterproductive" comment be to get other newly out topics back on the daily thread, as you'd requested above?
 

48 posted on 06/25/2004 3:41:23 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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To: Lisa Ruby

"it defies all [human] logic. . ."

These evil and depraved goings on DO defy human logic & are incomprehensible to most ordinary people, those in Bob Barr's "real America", if you will.

But then scientologists are not human, are they . . . ;o)
 

49 posted on 06/25/2004 3:51:54 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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Cyn wrote: "These evil and depraved goings on DO defy human logic & are incomprehensible to most ordinary people, those in Bob Barr's "real America", if you will.

But then scientologists are not human, are they . . . ;o)"

Of course scientologists are human. But the god of Scientology is not. He drives them to do reprehensible things in his service, and when they fail, he swiftly eliminates them.

It is satanic logic (disguised as scientific technology) that drives those who seek to clear the earth of all who do not have a value system conducive to the New World Order.

50 posted on 06/25/2004 5:45:45 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Scientology: Against the Disabled

Scientology takes advantage of disabled people to further the goals of the organization:

"Pending charges against more than 100 of its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight, coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of mentally incapacitated people... "As long as the organization's opponents and victims are successfully squelched, Scientology's managers and lawyers will keep pocketing millions of dollars by helping it achieve its ends."
--Richard Behar, "Scientology: Cult of Greed and Power," Time, 5/6/91 16

Scientology's mode of operation includes the exploitation of the disabled. See: Scientology Swindles Raul Lopez http://www.raullopez.org/

Michael Schiavo stole (with the blessings of the Pinellas County Court) hundreds of thousands of dollars of Terri's rehabilitation money to pay for attorneys to carry out her alleged death wishes based on nothing more than the testimony of her estranged "husband" and his relatives.

Terri's legal right to be rehabilitated has been illegally disregarded by Judge Greer. Theft of Terri's money to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars is the exploitation of a disabled person, and is a felony under Florida statues. http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/exploitation_of_disabled_is_felony.html

Judge Greer "authorized" Michael Schiavo to commit a felony. Interestingly, ex-Scientologists who were high in the organization claim that committing felonies is a matter of "church" policy:

According to sworn testimonies from seemingly countless upper-level management Scientologists who have escaped the business, the "church" commits felonies as a matter of policy. So much so that several countries have designated Scientology a threat to their national security and monitor the "church" like they do any other crime syndicate. You may view many such testimonies at Operation Clambake. http://www.xenu.net/

51 posted on 06/26/2004 9:23:40 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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L. Ron Hubbard's doctrines ingrain a new definition of morality into his followers:

"The ONLY concern for a Scientologist is to do every thing he or she can to help Scientology. All other concerns such as family, profession, society and even the law of the land, are trivia unless they might impact on Scientology."

Quote source: http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/ars971230.html

Judge Greer has violated the Constitution as well as many Florida statutes in the Terri Schindler Schiavo guardianship case. Scientology attorney Wally Pope gave him a prestigious award for doing so!

Judge Greer's rulings, which violate Florida Statutes and the Constitution of the United States are as follows:

1. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian even though he should be removed as Terri’s guardian pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(2 ) for failure to discharge his duties as guardian. The statute requires that the guardian protect the rights of the ward, provide for her health and safety, properly manage her financial resources and help her regain her abilities to the maximum extent possible.

2. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian even though he should be removed as Terri’s guardian pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(3) for abuse of his powers as evidenced by his denying her any significant sensory stimulation and his efforts to have her life ended.

3. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian even though he should be removed as Terri’s guardian pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(7) for wasting, embezzlement, or other mismanagement of the ward's property, one example is Michael’s statement on national television that he had Terri’s wedding rings melted down and made into jewelry for himself.

4. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian even though he should be removed as Terri’s guardian pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(11) because of a conflict of interest between the ward and the guardian due to Michael Schiavo living with and fathering children with another woman.

5. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian even though he should be removed as Terri’s guardian pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(13) for failure to comply with the guardianship report.

6. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian even though he should be removed as Terri’s guardian pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(14) for failure to file annual guardianship reports in a timely manner.

7. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian even though he should be removed as Terri’s guardian pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(16) for improperly managing the ward’s assets by using Terri’s money which was awarded by a court to be used for her rehabilitation but at the authorization of Judge Greer is being used to pay legal fees in an effort to end Terri’s life.

8. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian even though he should be removed as Terri’s guardian pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(17) because there has been a significant change in Terri’s assets due to the actions of her guardian. Terri’s assets have likely increased since her accident and Michael Schiavo is denying Terri the benefit of any assets accrued after the malpractice award which would be equally hers as Michael’s legal spouse.

9. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian even though he should be removed as Terri’s guardian pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(18) because Michael’s adulterous relationship (which is a misdemeanor under Florida law) with another woman ought to disqualify Michael as a suitable guardian for Terri as the interest which Michael said (in malpractice trial court proceedings) he had toward Terri is directed to another woman who is not his wife and has two children by said other woman of whom he is the father.

10. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri’s guardian and has aided Michael in abusing, neglecting, and exploiting Terri, a vulnerable adult, by appropriating funds that were awarded for her rehabilitation to pay legal fees, and has aided in exploiting Terri by denying the money to be used for her benefit. Both these infractions were committed with the
knowledge that Terri lacked the capacity to consent and explained in detail in Florida Statute 415.102.

11. Judge Greer’s rulings to date have deprived Terri Schiavo of her constitutional right to enjoy and defend life and liberty, to pursue happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and protect property which are detailed in Section 2 of the Florida Constitution by ordering her life to be ended by denying her hydration and nutrition.

12. Judge Greer has deprived Terri of her constitutional religious rights by allowing Michael Schiavo to prevent Monsignor Malonowski from visiting Terri, by allowing Michael to prevent Monsignor Malinowski from administering last rites when her feeding tube was removed in October 2003, and by allowing Michael to prevent Terri’s blood relatives from placing pictures of religious figures in her room.

13. Judge Greer has allowed Terri’s constitutional right to privacy to be violated by Michael Schiavo by not restricting his comments during interviews on national television.

14. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215C(a) To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

15. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(b) (b) to have continuing review of the need for restriction of her rights.

16. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right to be restored to capacity, FL statute 744.3215C.

17. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(d) (d) to be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

18. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(e) to have a qualified guardian.

19. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(f) to remain as independent as possible, including having her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as she expressed or demonstrated her preference prior to the determination of his or her incapacity or as she currently expresses her preference, insofar as such request is reasonable.

20. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (g) to be properly educated. She is not receiving any rehabilitative therapy.

21. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (h) to receive prudent financial management for her property and to be informed how her property is being managed. Michael Schiavo stated on national television that he melted Terri’s wedding rings down and had them made into jewelry for himself. [See: Scientology Treats Terri Schindler Schiavo as if She is Already Dead http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_treats_terri_schindler_schiavo_as_dead.html]

22. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (i) to receive necessary services and rehabilitation. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to deprive Terri of the same. She did not have a working wheelchair for an extended and unnecessarily long period of time.

23. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (k) to have access to the courts. Judge Greer has relied upon the testimony of others related to Michael Schiavo as to Terri’s condition yet ignored the testimony of her blood relatives which was contradictory to information provided by Michael and his family.

24. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(l) to counsel.

25. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(m) to receive visitors and communicate with others.

26. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(a) by allowing Terri to be moved to different facilities without prior approval of the court.

27. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(b) not requiring Michael to have follow up examinations of electrodes, which were implanted in Terri’s brain. These implants should have been removed years ago, as they are a source for both infection and hydrocephalus. Hydrocephalus may cause pressure that could suppress cognitive function and be responsible for much of Terri’s condition. If so, there could be a vast improvement in her condition if a shunt were placed. Hydrocephalus could also cause pressure that would flatten the brain and show fluid filled areas on a brain scan.

28. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to violate a court order stating that he is to keep Terri’s family advised of her medical condition.

29. Judge Greer has ignored Terri’s right under 765.102(5)(a) to palliative care which addresses physical, psychological, social, spiritual, and existential needs of patients.

30. Judge Greer has not required Michael Schiavo to implement a plan which would provide for Terri’s needs under 765.102(5)(a).

31. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to neglect Guardianship Education, which is a requirement under Florida law.

32. Judge Greer relied on Dr. Ronald Cranford’s definition of PVS (Persistent Vegetative State) instead of the legal definition contained in the Florida Statutes. There were several doctors who gave reports that Terri is not PVS but Greer decided not to use the Florida Statute’s definition.

33. Judge Greer has failed to be impartial and has ignored testimony and evidence presented by Counsel for Terri’s natural family and has consistently ruled in agreement with Counsel for Michael Schiavo.

34. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to continue denying visitation to Terri’s family even though a police investigation found that they were not responsible for marks found on her arm.

35. Judge Greer in his February 11, 2000 Order, committed malpractice by
misdiagnosing Terri as being an unconscious and unaware person and then ordered the Guardian of the Ward to commit a 1st Degree Felony Crime by removing Terri's feeding tube and denying her constitutional and legal right to be protected and not feloniously victimized by being caused to die.

35. Judge Greer authorized the euthanization of Terri Schiavo by authorizing the removal of her feeding tube when she does not fit the definition of PVS under Florida statutes. Euthanasia is illegal in Florida.

36. Judge Greer has violated the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101 provides that necessary and appropriate rehabilitation services and physical/motor skill therapy may not be denied a substantially disabled patient in the United States of America.

37. Judge Greer has violated the ADA Cf 28 CFR, Ch 1, Subpart B, Sect 35.130 States "Nothing in the Act or this part authorizes the representative or guardian of an individual with a disability to decline food, water, medical treatment, or medical services for that individual."

38. Judge Greer has violated FS 38.10 four times by not disqualifying himself from the case when it was requested. The statute states whenever a party to any action or proceeding makes and files an affidavit stating fear that he or she will not receive a fair trial in the court where the suit is pending on account of the prejudice of the judge of that court against the applicant or in favor of the adverse party, the judge shall proceed no further, but another judge shall be designated in the manner prescribed by the laws of this state for the substitution of judges for the trial of causes in which the presiding judge is disqualified.

The rulings and actions listed above are in violation of Judicial Canon 3B(2)

Judge Greer has violated Judicial Canon 3B(4) as seen in a video clip of a court proceeding where Judge Greer was visibly impatient and angry during court proceedings. The video can be viewed at this url. http://real.scripps.com:8480/ramgen/tampalive/news/2003/11/1105schiavo.rm

Judge Greer should be investigating whether any life insurance policies have been purchased or other investments made with funds intended for Terri, which would cause Michael Schiavo to profit from her death.

Judge Greer serves on the Committee for Guardianship Monitoring but is, in fact, violating the intentions and guidelines established by the Committee. Information concerning the Committee for Guardianship Monitoring may be found at this url http://www.flcourts.org/osca/divisions/Guardian/guardianshipmonitoring.pdf

1. Judge Greer has neglected the mission of guardianship monitoring in Terri’s case. The mission of guardianship monitoring is to collect, provide, and evaluate information about the well-being and property of all persons adjudicated of having a legal incapacity so that the court can fulfill its legal obligation to protect and preserve the interests of the ward, and thereby promote confidence in the judicial process.

2. Page 5 of the document contains “Thus, the court must be proactive to discover and respond to disputes and issues.” Judge Greer has intentionally ignored disputed issues in Terri’s case and not made any ruling to correct them.

3. On page 6 of the document is this statement “An ideal guardianship monitoring program encompasses four major service areas: (1) initial and on-going screening and reviewing of guardians; (2) reporting on the well-being of the ward; (3) reporting on the protection of the ward’s assets; and (4) case administration.” Judge Greer’s flagrant oversight of Michael Shiavo’s violations of the statutes pertaining to guardians is certainly no example for any monitoring program.

4. It is unclear whether Judge Greer has required Michael Schiavo to meet all the requirements of a guardian (listed on page 6 of the document). “A family member guardian is required to hire an attorney, provide detailed personal information, undergo a credit check, post a fiduciary’s bond, attend an 8-hour training course, and file detailed initial and annual personal and financial reports.”

5. Pinellas County employees a full time monitoring staff, which reviews cases to make sure guardianship plans are being filed and followed. It would not have been possible for them to give approval of the plan for Terri since the guardianship plans have not been an important issue with Judge Greer evidenced by his granting Michael extensions to file the plan. Judge Greer is deliberately undermining the guardianship monitoring program which was established to make sure that all wards receive the protection they are entitled to by the law.

6. Judge Greer did not adhere to the monitoring guidelines which state that “in cases where it appears there is substantial likelihood for serious irreparable harm (similar to the injunctive relief standard), immediate action steps by the court should include but not be limited to: Filing an abuse, neglect, or exploitation complaint with the Department of Children and Families, as required by statute, referral to local law enforcement agencies or the state attorney and, conducting immediate hearings among several other possible actions. Terri is at risk of irreparable harm as long as Michael is her guardian. He didn’t want to treat her for an infection, has not had preventive health care examinations for her and stated on national television that he would do whatever it takes to have her feeding tube removed. Michael also stated during the same interview that Terri's teeth were fine but recently she is missing several teeth.

Judge Greer’s rulings ought to be thrown out due to all these violations and the Supreme Court ruling on May 18, 2004 that states may be liable for money damages for denying disabled persons access to the court.

Terri’s feeding tube can only be removed “if” she is PVS and Judge Greer’s ruling is based on a definition not contained in the Florida Statutes. This is an outrageous liberty which Judge Greer has taken and combined with the other violations of statutes there is no question that he should be removed from his duties immediately.

Judge Greer: Violations of Statutes and Judicial Canons http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/judge_greer_violations_statutes.html#terri%20is%20not%20pvs

52 posted on 06/26/2004 10:06:00 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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George Felos and Operating Thetan VIII: Kill With a Thought

George Felos related an incident in which he demonstrated the ability to "kill with a thought":

"About a half-hour into the journey [plane trip] the thought crossed my mind, I wonder what it would be lke to die right now?" The thought particularly intrigued me since I felt so "conscious" at the moment. I indulged the thought by imagining the plane starting to lose its trajectory and descend. As the nose of the aircraft headed down, I distinctly felt concern arise and swiftly shift to panic among the passengers."

"As the plane plunged, gravity pressed against my body, and I felt death grasp us."

Felos then went on to relate the passengers' fear as the plane continued its downward descent.

After a few seconds of sheer panic, "the nose began to lift and the craft quickly resumed its even path." It was then that George Felos promised himself, "No more visualizaions for me on this trip."

About twenty minutes after this incident, Felos heard the voice of "God" speak to him in a slightly stern voice: "Be careful what you think. You are more powerful than you realize." Litigation as Spiritual Practice, page 181-182

Scientologists who have enough demons to achieve the level of Operating Thetan 8 also claim to have the abiliy to "kill with a thought":

An OT VIII (the highest OT level released so far) can purportedly kill with a thought.

(Quote source: Scientology Jargon: OT)http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/scijarg.html#ot
 

54 posted on 06/27/2004 6:45:09 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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ping

55 posted on 06/28/2004 4:19:23 AM PDT by amdgmary

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Scientology Attorney Not Comfortable With "Kill With a Thought" Line of Questioning

Ex-Scientologist Arnie Lerma, under direct examination in the Scientology Flag Organization vs Lisa McPherson Trust case, was about to elaborate on L. Ron Hubbard's "kill with a thought" doctrine when Scientology attorney Wally Pope objected. Mr. Pope conceded that "kill with a thought" is a Scientology religious doctrine, but he tried to prevent the opposing attorney from even mentioning this subject.

Judge Thomas Pennick chose to allow the "kill with a thought" line of questioning to continue:

17 A The Scientologists that are sitting in this

18 courtroom have a belief that if they do everything

19 they are told as directed by L. Rob Hubbard, at some

20 point they will gain amazing spiritual abilities?

21 Q Well, what kind of abilities?

22 A Well, perhaps you can kill with a thought?

23 Q Is that something that Hubbard promised?

24 A Well, Hubbard didn't --

25 MR. POPE: Objection. Your Honor, we're

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1 getting into all sorts of religious doctrine

2 here that doesn't have anything to do with an

3 issue before the court.

4 THE COURT: Well, the court kind of

5 drove it out there because to hear what

6 picketing, what they were chanting and as it

7 or wasn't it really picket or was it taunting

8 or what. I'm going to allow it to see what

9 this is all about. Go ahead.

10 BY MR. MERRETT:

11 Q What other powers other than killing with a

12 thought?

13 A They should be able to telepathically read

14 your mind, to leave your body and see what's happening.

15 Q Is that called exteriorization with full

16 perception?

17 A Yes, it is.

http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/legal/LMTinjunction/transcript9.html

Public relations "technology" is essential to the propagation of Scientology and everything that comes under the auspices of the Religious Technology Center. It is no wonder their attorney did not want Scientology's "kill with a thought" doctrine brought up in Lisa McPherson's wrongful death lawsuit!

56 posted on 06/29/2004 10:45:01 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Dr. Robert Cranford and Scientology Doctrine

Dr. Ronald Cranford and Scientology agree that people whose "consciousness" does not meet up to a given authority figure's expectations should not have any legal rights. Dr. Cranford is the neurologist who testified that Terri Schindler Schiavo, a woman who is clearly aware of herself and her surroundings, is in a persistent vegetative state:

"Dr. Ronald Cranford, a University of Minnesota neurologist who frequently testifies in court cases advising the withdrawal of food and fluids, said he believes unconscious people, such as those in persistent vegetative states, lack personhood and therefore constitutional rights, according to the AP." http://www.nrlc.org/news/2002/NRL11/shiavo.html

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard devised a "scientific" way of determining an individual's "worthiness" to enjoy civil rights in society: The Emotional Tone Scale http://www.xenu.net/archive/disk/NOTs/tone.htm

"In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the tone scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind..."

(Science of Survival by L. Ron Hubbard pg 131)

According to Dr. Ronald Cranford and Scientology, Terri Schiavo's disability renders her worthy of no constitutional or civil rights! Indeed, there is much evidence that Judge Greer considers Terri Schiavo unworthy of equal protection under the law. (See post #52.)

This so-called "Right to Die" case is merely the mass media cover story for this "euthansia by hearsay" plot. This case, which is ultimately about destroying the concept of a disabled person's right to equal protection under the law, is an important step in setting the stage for deleting "social contagions" from society in preparation for the New World Order.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow."

Quote source: http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/dispose.htm


It is time to take a stand and Hold Back the New World Order. http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/hold_back_nwo.html

57 posted on 07/02/2004 12:33:40 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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On June 27, 1990, (four months after Terri Schiavo suffered serious injuries and collapsed into what Dr. Ronald Cranford and other hired specialists have testified is a persistent vegetative state), Terri Schiavo was examined by Dr. Baras at Bayfront Medical Center. You may read the report here: http://www.hospicepatients.org/terrischiavodocs/Terri-Schiavo-exam-1990.pdf

Highlights of Dr. Baras' exam:

GENERAL: Patient is awake and eyes are open. She is easily startled to her name or when the bedrail falls down.

Pupils are equal and reactive. There is reflex and voluntary moving of her mouth in a chewing reflex.

NEUROLOGICAL: Patient is awake. She does give eye contact to family members. She will close her eyes to any threatening response around her face and blink appropriately. Tracking was inconsistent. There was no verbal output during this exam but it has been reported by husband and other family members and therapists over at College Harbor. No voluntary movement as far as on command at this time. Sensory: She does respond to painful stimulation.

According to Michael Schiavo, Terri's family members, and therapists at College Harbor, Terri was giving "verbal output" --speaking words after her collapse. Indeed, a handwritten note under the heading Cognitive Communication on page three of the report stated that Terri would say "stop" to nursing during procedures.

On the October 27, 2003 airing of the Larry King Live Show, Michael Schiavo said Terri has never spoken a word. (Implication: Terri never spoke after she collapsed in the apartment on February 25, 1990):

KING: Did she ever speak since 1990?

SCHIAVO: Terri never has spoken a word.

Four months after Terri fell to the floor, Dr. Baras' examination revealed "Patient is awake and eyes are open."

Michael Schiavo also said on Larry King Live that "Mr. and Mrs. Schindler know exactly what condition she's in," Schiavo said. "They were there in the beginning. . . . Now they're being fed all this information from these right-to-life activists."

Yes, the Schindlers WERE there in the beginning and the doctor who examined her only four months after she collapsed with serious injuries said that "Terri is awake", that she gives eye contact to family members, etc.

No right to life activists said that in the beginning. The doctor said it.

Michael Schiavo knows how to lie, and can do so under pressure such as on nationwide televison.

George Felos made these statements regarding Terri's medical condition on Larry King Live:

FELOS: She's not brain dead, but she has no consciousness, she has no thought, she has no cognition, she can't -- she has no awareness.

FELOS: And she never will.

Dr. Baras: "Patient is awake. She does give eye contact to family members. She will close her eyes to any threatening response around her face and blink appropriately."

Judge Greer, Ronald Cranford, George Felos, Michael Schiavo et al are LYING about Terri Schindler's medical state in order to further Scientology's agenda to destroy the Fourteenth Amendment: equal protection under the law.

Scientology not only tolerates lying but actually presents formal training in the subject:

Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To train the student to outflow false data effectively.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Training Routine-Lying (TR-L) http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/lying.htm

 

58 posted on 07/02/2004 9:42:10 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Here is the link to Larry King Live transcript http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0310/27/lkl.00.html

This interview is filled with disinformation in an attempt to manipulate the public into assenting to the idea of denying equal protection for disabled people under the law.

Please read the interview that aired on the same night that refutes the lies Schiavo and Felos said on the Larry King Live Show: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101458,00.html

59 posted on 07/02/2004 9:55:57 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Michael Schiavo mocked Terri's Catholic faith:

"Bob chimed in and said Michael had even teased Terri and her parents about their commitment to the church.

"Michael used to laugh when Terri went to mass with us," Bob said. "He would say, 'Say some prayers for me.'http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=17038

Michael Schiavo has singled out one particular Catholic for destruction: Terri. His blatant disregard for Terri's religious wishes is obvious. Through the guise of the "court order" and "doctor's orders" his attorney blocked her priest from administering what Catholics refer to as the "last rites":

Attorney Deborah Bushnell told Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski, who has been Terri's spiritual provider for three years, that ''because of court order and doctor's orders, you can't put anything in her mouth,'' not even a morsel of moistened communion wafer. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35156

Of course this was a violation of Terri's constitutional rights, but that is the point of this case: NO equal rights under the law for the disabled.

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard had a particular antipathy for Catholicism and singled out this religious group for possible destruction:

He told one friend that he had not decided whether to destroy the Catholic Church, or "merely start a new one."

Quote source: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us-10.html

60 posted on 07/02/2004 10:34:18 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Michael Schiavo has a particular distaste for "right-to-life" activists:

"I don't want her room filled with flowers from strangers and right-to-life activists." http://www.nrlc.org/news/2002/NRL11/shiavo.html

But now they're being -- now they're being fed all this information from these right-to-life activists that's fueling their little flame. http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0310/27/lkl.00.html

He [Michael Schiavo] suggested the money would come from "right-wing, right-to-life activists." http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35376

Michael's dismay over the activities of those who seek to protect his disabled wife's constituional right to equal protection under the law reminds me of L. Ron Hubbard's disgust over the fact that a decent society takes care of its own:

Society, the bulk of which is bent upon survival, fails or refuses to recognize death or the urge of organisms toward it. Society passes laws against murder and suicide. Society provides hospitals. Society carries such people [the disabled] on its back. And society will not hear of euthanasia or "mercy killing." (Self Analysis by L. Ron Hubbard; pg. 28)

61 posted on 07/02/2004 10:52:35 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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bttt

62 posted on 07/06/2004 7:56:26 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)

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From terrisfight.org:

Judge George Greer has ordered that a Writ of Quo Warranto filed on behalf of Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, be dismissed and dissolved.

In his order, Greer suggests that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler already have ample legal remedy with a November 15, 2002 petition to remove Terri's husband as her guardian which has yet to be resolved in Greer's court. Additionally, Greer states that "extraordinary relief will not be granted in cases where the granting of it will result in confusion and disorder."

Through their attorneys, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler brought forth a petition for Writ of Quo Warranto, which asks that Terri's husband be required to demonstrate under what authority he continues to act as Terri's guardian. The basis for their petition was that Terri's husband had failed to file guardianship plans on an annual basis as required by Florida Statute 744.3675, had isolated her and had apparently neglected her healthcare needs to the point that five teeth had been extracted due to decay.

Additionally, the petition for Writ of Quo Warranto states that, under Florida Statute 744.369(8), "the approved report constitutes the authority for the guardian to act in the forthcoming year. The powers of the guardian are limited by the terms of the report." As Terri's husband had not filed guardianship plans for the periods of 08/01/2001 through 07/31/2002 and 08/01/2002 through 07/31/2003 until June 1, 2004, Bob and Mary Schindler contend that he has not complied with state requirements that allow him to act as their daughter's guardian.

Related Documents:

Greer's Order dismissing Writ of Quo Warranto - http://zimp.org/documents/dismiss070704.pdf

Petition for Writ of Quo Warranto - http://zimp.org/documents/qw.pdf

Filing of Guardianship Plans June 1, 2004 - http://zimp.org/documents/Bushnell%20Cert%20Svc-Gdn%20Plan%20060104.pdf

Would Pamela Hennessey please post the unedited Writ of Quo Warranto hearing transcript? Judge Greer's "reason" for dismissing the lawsuit is so lame that it is time for us to read the unedited hearing transcript.

Lisa Ruby

63 posted on 07/07/2004 12:11:31 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Did I forget to mention that Hubbard's own estranged son said that his father was drug-possessed, or did you already know that? All these people sound like they are 'trippin'.

65 posted on 07/07/2004 6:29:10 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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Another interesting page:

http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/apobs/bs6-5.htm

Read about 'pain and sex were the invented tools of degradation' and '...Who is paying you?...M. said he would declare me {suppressive] on the spot if I didn't tell him who my operations man was...' I've lost track of where I read it, but Lisa McPherson [Is that her name?] was shouting something about SUPPRESSIVES when she lost it and they subsequently killed her.

It IS hard to believe all this is going on in OUR America. Seems more like a horror movie.

66 posted on 07/07/2004 6:44:47 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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Ethan_Allen wrote: "Reading between the lines, it does make one wonder why NO ONE in authority steps in to stop the lawlessness in Terri's case. Pretty strange, no?"

Good point.

Euthanasia is not legal Florida policy nor is it legal policy anywhere in the United States of America. However, the Scientology-controlled Pinellas-Pasco County Court is allowing Scientology policy to be the only policy in the Terri Schiavo case.


L. Ron Hubbard said:

Once the world is Clear - a nation, a state, a city or a village - the Scientology-organization in the area becomes its government! And once this has taken place the only policy accepted as valid is Scientology policy.

-L. Ron Hubbard taped lecture 9 January 1962, "Future Org Trends"

(Quote source: Dispose of Quietly)http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/dispose.htm

67 posted on 07/07/2004 7:43:47 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Scientology Hints to Media: Hands off!

Michael Schiavo wore a distinctive shirt in a televised appearance with his attorney in November, 2002. (This was during the time appeals were being made before the first dehydration/starvation attempt was made upon Terri Schindler Schiavo.)

http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/2002/11/021122schiavo.shtml Click on "watch video."

Watch for Michael Schiavo in his "sailor shirt."

Michael Schiavo's choice of nautical garb sent a message to the media: Warning! Keep your distance. Yes, this is an obscenely illegal euthanasia plot; yes Judge Greer's rulings violate Florida law with wild abandon; yes this travesty of justice is going on in Clearwater, Florida (a Scientology stronghold); but keep Scientology (Sea Org) out of your reporting.

The media has complied. So far.

68 posted on 07/07/2004 9:47:07 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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You wrote: "And I hope many FReepers will keep you in their prayers. I know I will."

Thank you for your prayers. Prayer is also needed for Scientologists who want to get out but are afraid for their lives.

69 posted on 07/07/2004 10:11:11 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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'Prayer is also needed for Scientologists who want to get out but are afraid for their lives.'

Done. I had no idea how dangerous this cult was until this thread.

70 posted on 07/08/2004 5:26:38 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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In a letter to Judge Greer dated June 17, 2004, George Felos wrote:

"If this court doesn't grant the motion to dismiss [the Writ of Quo Warranto petition] there is a danger that the adjudication of the ward's constitutional rights could be indefinitely delayed, which would constitute a significant and material harm to her."

http://zimp.org/documents/felos061704.pdf

According to Scientology Ethics:

If the court does not grant the motion to dismiss the Writ of Quo Warranto petition, there is a danger that this plot, (which would bump up Scientology's rank in the network) would be indefinitely delayed.

Terri has the "right" (according to Scientology ethics) to be DEHYDRATED to death based on "convincing evidence": the testimony of Michael Schiavo--a man who was there when her oxygen supply was abruptly cut off and she suffered debilitating injuries. A man who did not perform CPR on his non-breathing wife is suddenly solicitous and wants to cause her to die--in order to honor her "wishes."

Oh, we cannot forget the other so-called last minute "evidence": the surprise testimony of surpise witnesses-- Michael's brother and another brother's wife--who suddenly "remembered" Terri's supposed wishes when Richard Pearse did not buy Michael's solo testimony.

They could not have been more blatant in showing the world that this is a court case, but not one that plays by Florida rules. This is a staged event. And one they will not get away with--no matter what happens regarding Terri's Law.

71 posted on 07/08/2004 9:27:21 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Thank you for joining this thread.

72 posted on 07/08/2004 9:28:39 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Fair Gamer Presents Motion on Scientology High Day

Deborah Bushnell, who along with George Felos recently used Fair Game tactics against Mr. and Mrs. Schindler, submitted a motion to Judge Greer to on a Scientology high day.

Deboarah Bushnell moved to dismiss the Schindler's November 2002 petition to remove Michael Schiavo as guardian on December 6, 2002-- a Scientology high day. See: http://zimp.org/documents/Mot%20Dism%20Pet%20Rem%20Guard%20120602.pdf

This Scientology high day, observed on December 6th, is called Flag Land Base Day. It celebrates the 1975 opening of Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida.

http://www.scientology.org/wis/wiseng/39/39-idx.htm


See Deborah Bushnell's letter. http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/bushnell_letter.html

See George Felos' press release: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/schiavo_press_release.html

These tactics violate many rules of professional conduct. See: http://www.petitiononline.com/Felos518/

73 posted on 07/09/2004 7:34:11 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Scientology Fair Gamed the Schindlers by Treating Them Like Criminals

(originally written on 5/10/04)

Shortly after Mr. and Mrs. Schindler expressed concerns about Terri's newly-developed bedsore, unexplained vomiting, untidy appearance and missing teeth, Terri was found with "puncture wounds." Michael used this incident as an excuse to immediately ban them from visiting their daughter. This happens to be a typical "accuse the accuser" Scientology tactic! See: Scientology's Policy of Harassment and Scientologists Defend By Attacking

Michael Schiavo is continuing his Scientology "fair game" tactics against the Schindler family by treating them like criminals. He is requiring the Schindlers to pay an off-duty police officer to supposedly protect Terri from her own devoted parents! Terri Schiavo's Parents Forced to Pay to Visit Their Daughter

Scientology's mode of operation includes retaliating against suppressive individuals and groups. The Schindlers might not be aware that the "church" of Scientology considers them to be suppressive. They simply expect Florida law, which mandates rehabilitation for any disabled person—including their conscious and cognitively able daughter—to be upheld. They are actively fighting against having their daughter put to death based on the testimony of a man whose track record of abusing, exploiting and neglecting his disabled wife proves he cannot stand her.

The Fair Game Policy: http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html

Scientologists Defend by Attacking: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientologists_defend_by_attacking.html

Scientology's Policy of Harassment: http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/harass.html

More documentation here: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_and_terri_schindler_schiavo_death_connection_updates.html#scientology%20continues%20fair%20game

74 posted on 07/09/2004 7:49:25 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Do you have this interesting article:

I've given the cached version to show more readily the references to the CIA and LSD. I see I'm not the first to notice a connection:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:D9z7rrELWt4J:www.seekgod.ca/toast.htm+seekgod.ca+A+TOAST+To+Scientology+CIA+LSD+UN&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Also noted this statement:

'Cecil Vowles of the UN in Australia stated:

The Declaration of Human Rights as released to the world by the United Nations in 1948 was a huge stride forward for humanity. The tenets of the Scientology religion not only support the hopes and aspirations for humanity as contained in the Declaration, but give us all an understanding of why it is so important people are brought together when they have this understanding. The principles contained in Scientology will be a major element in bringing the peoples of the world together. [See Hab. 2:5 again. And Judges 18:19. ]
Cecile Vowles
National Vice President
United Nations Association of
Australia

I wonder if it's a hopeful sign that the article started with a verse that's been in my head for a couple of days now:

John 3:19-21

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

They other side of that story is this:

1Cr 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Some recent events give me hope that God is on the move to bring the hidden things to light. I'm about to sit back and read some more about the Rockefeller/Rothschild [as in population reduction] connection:

http://www.seekgod.ca/wycliffe.htm
http://www.seekgod.ca/rockefeller.htm


http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/49/16.html

Terri, this prayer's for you:

Isa 49:25 But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

75 posted on 07/09/2004 7:51:57 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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just saw #74. Looks like I'll be up all night, but good job, Lisa!

76 posted on 07/09/2004 7:57:44 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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Ethan_Allen,

Thank you for the link to Vicky Dillen's site and these important citations. Cecile Vowles' statement is particularly chilling because it rightly connects the tenets of Scientology with the United Nations' idea of human rights: You have rights if we declare you to be "authentically human." See Global Ethic: http://www.weltethos.org/dat_eng/st_3e_xx/s_dek3_e.htm

Scientology seeks to cause the American public to accept the idea of the disabled having civil rights on a conditional basis: if the authorities declare them to be "authentically conscious."

Consciousness applies to an individual's value system as well. The general public will also have civil rights on a conditional basis: having their consciousness "raised" to the point where they will merge with the New Age/occult relgious system of the New Order.

Terri Schindler Schiavo laughs, cries, smiles, opens her eyes on command, and shows definite recognition of her mother. When moved by emotion, her face is decidedly animated. Terri certainly behaves like a conscious person.

But the "authorities"--the expert witnesses that Judge Greer chooses to "believe"--say that Terri has "no consciousness." (No consciousness is Scientology's code phrase for death or dying.) See: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_treats_terri_schindler_schiavo_as_dead.html


Adolf Hitler did not consider Jews--who certainly look exactly like human beings because they are--to be "authentically human." Since the authorities placed Jews in the "not authentically human" category, you know what happened as a result.

(Don't believe revisionist historians--They don't want you to know the past because it is getting closer to repeating itself.)

77 posted on 07/09/2004 9:29:38 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Thanks, Ethan. I'll have to read this more closely when I get home and catch up. As it is, I'm tickled you put "snake" in your google search. Thanks for your work for Terri. Best to you and all who are working so hard for her. May God continue to protect and strengthen Terri, and may He give His peace and comfort to her family and friends. With man this is not possible, but with God, all things are possible.

78 posted on 07/10/2004 8:50:18 PM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schiavo and her family.)

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Ex-Mayor Gabe Cazares Unknowingly Hired a Scientology Attorney

Scientologists infiltrate the opposition in many ways. They will even use undercover attorneys to work for their agenda while pretending to represent their client:

"Another such "attack and destroy" campaign uncovered by the FBI raid was carried out against the then-mayor of Clearwater, Florida, Gabe Cazares. Documents revealed that "Scientology agents staged a fake hit-and-run accident" against Cazares (Washington Post, April 28, 1978, p. A-1). Furthermore, Scientology attorney Merrell Vanier persuaded Cazares to use his services in a lawsuit against Scientology. From this undercover position Vanier was able to provide inside information to Scientology, as well as gain access to sensitive files in the State Attorney General's office "which was conducting an investigation of the local Scientology organization." After the facts became known Vanier was disbarred by the Florida Supreme Court (Tampa Tribune, November 27, 1986, p. 15-B; Opinion, 498 So. 2d 896; 11 Fla. Law W. 621 [Fla. 1986])."

http://www.watchman.org/sci/scientologymafia.htm

79 posted on 07/12/2004 1:13:33 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Judge Greer: Judge or Agent? In November, 2002, Robert Schindler told World Net Daily about Judge Greer's extraordinary number of rulings against Terri and her family in a brief period of time: "Over the past two and a half years [Greer] has made about 60 decisions adverse to Terri and our family, from denying swallowing tests and other medical tests to denial of visitation ... he even denied us the right to take photographs of her," he said. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29756 Also see post #52 which cites Judge Greer's rulings that violate Florida Statutes and the Constitution of the United States
 

80 posted on 07/12/2004 10:15:07 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Terri Schiavo -- East Coast Scientology Stronghold
Robert Wendland-- West Coast Scientology Stronghold

Pamela Hennessey is well aware of the "stunning and ominous parallels" that "exist between Mr. Wendland’s case and the case of Terri Schiavo":

In 2001, a young San Francisco man by the name of Robert Wendland died. Mr. Wendland suffered profound physical and cognitive disabilities following an automobile accident in 1993. Mr. Wendland died of pneumonia while his mother continued to fight his wife’s efforts to end his life via the removal of his feeding tube.

Some stunning and ominous parallels exist between Mr. Wendland’s case and the case of Terri Schiavo and they merit consideration. Rose Wendland, Robert’s wife, had petitioned the courts for the right to remove his feeding tube, stating that he had a “right to live without tubes and medicines”. She, like Michael Schiavo, argued that aggressive therapy was not in Robert’s interest and that his death by dehydration and starvation would be “peaceful and dignified”.

Like Terri Schiavo, Robert Wendland demonstrated convincing abilities and awareness. It is said that he was able to negotiate a wheelchair through hospital corridors on his own. Yet, Rose Wendland insisted that he be “let go,” much to the opposition of Robert’s own mother, Florence Wendland.

In startling likeness to Michael Schiavo, Rose Wendland denied her spouse therapy, kept him from public view and instructed his caregivers not to disclose any information about his condition to his own mother. Even the absence of an advanced directive bears similarity to Terri Schiavo’s case.

In the end, Robert Wendland died of pneumonia (A death some experts would later call “exit protocol”) even as his legal battle waged on.

http://www.terrisfight.org/downloads/meanstoend.html

81 posted on 07/12/2004 11:59:55 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Robert Wendland's Case--California Supreme Court
Terri Schiavo's Case--Florida Supreme Court

Although Robert Wendland died of pneumonia before the trial could take place, the California Supreme Court ruled against Wendland's wife's wish to remove his feeding tube:

"After his death, the California Supreme Court ruled that his wife did not have the right to order the removal of his feeding tube, since Wendland was not in a coma or terminally ill and had not left instructions that he would want to die if incapacitated, the Times reported.

Justice Kathryn Mickle Werdegar, in the court's unanimous August 9 decision, wrote that life support for a patient in Wendland's condition may not be stopped "absent clear and convincing evidence that the conservator's decision is in accordance with either the conservatee's own wishes or best interest."

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2001/NRL08/wend.html

Now they are counting on the Florida Supreme Court to cooperate with Michael Schiavo's wish (litigated as Terri's wish) to remove her feeding tube.

The shapers of public opinion are trying their best to keep the focus ON Terri's Law and OFF the central issue, which is Michael Schiavo's lack of legal qualification to remain as Terri's guardian. Michael has no real legal status to speak for Terri. All he has is Judge Greer's collusion with this illegality. They hope the public remains unaware of this fact.

82 posted on 07/13/2004 12:33:28 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: Lisa Ruby; cyn

'Furthermore, Scientology attorney Merrell Vanier persuaded Cazares to use his services in a lawsuit against Scientology. From this undercover position Vanier was able to provide inside information to Scientology, as well as gain access to sensitive files in the State Attorney General's office "which was conducting an investigation of the local Scientology organization." Read the rest of Ethan Allen's lengthy post HERE.

To: Ethan_Allen

'Bethel! Where David had poured oil on the rock and declared that spot was the House of God, the gateway to heaven.'

David=Jacob. Not sure where my head was at. Feel free to correct at any time.

84 posted on 07/13/2004 3:50:11 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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Judge Greer's rulings in this case have consistently violated the best interests of the ward--Terri Schindler Schaivo. Judge George Greer has permitted Michael Schiavo-- a man provably unqualfied to be her guardian--to pull Terri's feeding tube on two occasions.

Formal action against Judge Greer must be taken. He is legally disallowed from doing what he is doing. And yet the legal experts sigh and feign helplessness to do anything to stop him from breaking the law. WHY?

Pat Anderson knows how to prosecute judges.

"Anderson has experience prosecuting judges. She once worked with the Judicial Qualifications Commission, a state agency that investigates judges and allegations of misconduct."

http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2003/06/030611judge.shtml

(This article was REMOVED from the internet. You may read the archived page HERE.)
 

85 posted on 07/13/2004 11:47:46 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Terri's Total-Body Bone Scan: Pat Anderson Overlooked it, George Felos Vilified it, Judge Greer Ignored it

The 1991 total body bone scan reveals that Terri Schindler Schiavo was severely injured with numerous fractures! The wounds were not fresh--they did not occur during therapy due to "brittle bones."
http://www.friendsofterri.org/bone.html

The bone scan, which is hard evidence that Terri was brutally assaulted, was not mentioned by Pat Anderson until Dr. Hammesfahr testimony brought it to the surface:

"During the hearing, one of the doctors testified that Terri had a "suspiciously rigid neck," and that the only other time he had seen this in a cardiac arrest patient was in a case of an attempted strangulation."

"This testimony prompted Pat Anderson, the Schindlers’ attorney, to reexamine Terri’s medical records. Among those records was a report on a total-body scan performed on Terri in 1991, 13 months after she collapsed. The scan showed that Terri had fractures of the first lumbar vertebra as well as several thoracic vertebrae, fractures of both sacroiliac joints and both knees and ankles, multiple rib fractures, and a compression fracture of her thigh. Doctors who reviewed the scan and the report concluded that she had a history of severe physical abuse. "Somebody worked her over real good," one physician said."

The fact that Michael Schaivo might have been the person to inflict such trauma upon his petite wife did not concern Judge Greer:

"Judge Greer denied Anderson’s motion to allow discovery of this body-scan evidence during the hearing. Michael’s attorney called Anderson’s motion "garbage," calling it "rife with unattributed hearsay, rank innuendo and libel."

Quote source: http://www.internationaltaskforce.org/iua27.htm
 

86 posted on 07/14/2004 1:54:15 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Tallahassee, FL (LifeNews.com) -- "A group of seventeen disability rights organizations filed a brief today defending Terri's Law, the measure passed by the state legislature that allowed Florida Governor Jeb Bush to save Terri Schiavo's life."

Quote source: http://lifenews.com/bio379.html

Why don't the attorneys for any of these 17 disability groups file formal complaints against Judge Greer to the Judical Qualifications Commission (and any other disciplinary committees)--and make Judge Greer's refusal to abide by the law public knowledge? Why don't they cite the fact that according to the Florida statutes, Michael Schiavo is not even qualified to speak for Terri--much less have her feeding tube pulled!

Terri's Law is not the REAL legal barrier between Terri's life and death and the attorneys for these organizations (including Jay Sekulow) know it! Jay Sekulow publicly makes statements that Terri's Law is keeping Terri alive. He is going along with the diversion plan.

Making Terri's Law THE issue is sending the message that the present guardianship laws which fully protect Terri, are not valid. They are valid, but they are not being honored by Judge Greer! Michael Schiavo is demonstrably and provably not qualified to be Terri's guardian-- and thus speak for her. See: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/petition_to_remove_guardian.html

I am placing the link to my site here because Pamela Hennessey changes urls and leaves dead links on terrisfight.org. Go to this page http://terrisfight.org/development.html and click on the first "here" link. It is dead at this posting.

Everything is being done to keep the focus away from the fact that Michael has no real legal status to speak for Terri. He has Greer's illegal backing AND the silence on the part of every disability attorney regarding this fact!

Yes, focusing on Terri's Law to the exclusion of the fact that Michael is not qualified to be Terri's guardian under Florida law is helping Michael's and his backers' agenda.

Any and all of the disability advocates'attorneys can file papers which can effectively halt Greer dead in his tracks for quite awhile while the charges against him are being investigated. They can prevent Greer from allowing a man who does not qualify to be Terri's true legal guardian to speak for her!

Terri's Law is not the only legal barrier between Terri's life and death. Any attorney who says this is going along with the program. Period.

The present laws (if obeyed) will keep Terri alive because Judge Greer would be held accountable for violating them and Michael would be removed from his position as Terri's legal guardian. The Schindlers are the next of kin and would be granted guardianship of a woman who has demonstrated for many years a strong will to live.

87 posted on 07/14/2004 3:15:47 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Fl_engineer wrote on the Terri Schiavo forum:

"If the rotten judge would simply allow a $2 alphabet board, or a 'yes-no' board into Terri's room, she would point to things, and there would be no more question about 'her wishes'."

This is true. And if the judge would simply allow a swallow test in the presence of unbiased doctors, then there would be no question about whether Terri even needs a g-tube.

But predictably, Judge Greer will have no part of either. Getting definitive answers to either of these questions would hinder the real agenda in this case, which has nothing to do with Terri's wishes.

88 posted on 07/18/2004 1:21:35 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Euthansia is being committed being committed quietly (and illegally) across the United States, but the key to this case (which the disability advocates' attorneys ignore) is to set a precedent to NOT treat incapacitated people. Judge Greer is allowing Michael to break the law and deny Terri her retained rights under the law--ostensibly because she wants to die.

If Judge Greer gets away with this, the door is opened to not treat any person that the court determines would not want to live. Disabled people would be denied equal protection under the law (their 14th amendment rights), just as Judge Greer is denying Terri her retained rights at this very moment!

The attorneys who address Terri's Law but do not take legal action against Judge Greer for his outlaw rulings are actually supporting The Plan to deprive the disabled of their civil rights. (It is no coincidence that denying civil rights to the disabled is an L. Ron Hubbard goal.)

In the 1998 movie, "A Civil Action," starring Scientologist John Travolta, there is a type of "Judge Greer" in the storyline. The judge came up with a plan that clearly had nothing to do with the law, and the attorney for the plaintiffs objected to it. "It is MY plan!" the corrupt judge shouted. This kind of conditioning is no accident.

Since Judge Greer's plan is not lawful, he is not lawfully allowed to carry it out. Period. It is time for the attorneys who represent the Schindlers to address this matter and stop playing along with the "if Terri's Law is not upheld, Terri can legally be put to death" LIE.

89 posted on 07/18/2004 6:25:40 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Supreme Court Hearing Marked By Scientology Date

The Florida Supreme Court will hear arguments regarding Terri's Law on August 31, 2004.

August 31st is the inverse of August 13th. For occult purposes, the numbers 13 and 31 work as the same number.

August 13 is a Scientology high day:

Advanced Organization Founding Day Los Angeles, to celebrate the opening of the American Saint Hill Organization and the Advanced Organization Los Angeles in 1968.

Quote source: http://www.scientology.org/wis/wiseng/39/39-idx.htm

I am not surprised that the Supreme Court will begin hearing this case on a day with the same "vibrations" as a Scientology high day.

It is time to file charges against Judge Greer. Terri's Law, overturned or upheld, has nothing to do with the fact that Michael Schiavo is a guardian only by Judge Greer's law, NOT Florida law.

Terri's Law deliberately directs the attention away from Judge Greer's years of illegal rulings. The amicus brief says Terri's wishes are the central issue. This is what Michael Schiavo has been saying all along!

This case is really about how far a judge will be permitted to go to defy the laws presently on the books in order to fulfill a not-so-hidden agenda, which is to deny disabled people their retained rights under the law.

Terri's Law conveniently bypasses that central issue.

90 posted on 07/18/2004 7:49:35 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: Ethan_Allen

Ethan_Allen wrote: "You see, while I am finding Scientology **extremely** dangerous, I do not see it as the only dangerous cult."

Scientology is not the only dangerous organization, but its area of particular expertise is litigation. When the NWO network needs something done via the court system, Scientology is usually able to accomplish it.

91 posted on 07/18/2004 9:11:51 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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One reason Scientology is able to accomplish so much via litigation is because they infiltrate the opposition with their own attorneys. This enables them to manage even the most difficult cases to their best advantage.

Scientology strives to keep their opponents on the defensive. They come up with diversions which serve to keep the focus off of them when they are clearly in the wrong.

For example, Terri's Law keeps Terri Schiavo and all disabled people on the defensive when it is Judge Greer and Michael Schiavo who are provably in the wrong.

Scientology does not play fair. They Fair Game.

 

92 posted on 07/18/2004 9:40:23 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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An article the National Right to Life website chose to take off the internet reveals that Terri Schiavo's first, fifth, and fourteenth amendment rights have been violated:

The family’s 24-page complaint filed over the weekend alleged that the husband, Morton Plant Hospital, and the Hospice of the Florida Sun Coast Ahad violated three federal statutes -- the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and the Emergency Medical and Active Labor Act -- as well as Terri's First, Fifth, and 14th Amendment rights. Attorney Felos was named as a non-party co-conspirator," according to Worldnetdaily.

The husband and his attorney "combined and conspired to deprive Terri of her constitutional and civil rights," the complaint reads. end quote

Remember L. Ron Hubbard's goal:

In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the tone scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind...

(Science of Survival by L. Ron Hubbard pg 131)

93 posted on 07/18/2004 10:36:06 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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cached page: http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:2Ng_H06tdqgJ:www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/September03/nv090303.html+%22pat+anderson%22+insane&hl=en

This link is to the article referred in the previous post.

94 posted on 07/18/2004 11:25:37 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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There is not only a conspiracy to deprive Terri Schindler Schiavo of her constitutional rights (and dispose of her as a final insult) -- there is also a conspiracy to NOT expose and stand against this plot.

Take note of the well-known individuals involved in Terri's case. They stay focused on Terri's Law--a brand new law which ignored the real problem (Judge Greer's lawless rulings) and gave Terri a respite and calming the public down.

Terri's Law actually protected Judge Greer by keeping the focus off of his very suspcious rulings in this case. His actions have not yet been confronted by legal authorities. (His actions have, however, been commended the Florida Bar Association. They had Scientology attorney Wally Pope present him with an award for the way he has handled this case.)

Terri's Law helped Judge Greer by diverting the attention away from his corrupt rulings! And the present litigation about Terri's Law is continuing to help Judge Greer. Nobody is doing a thing to investigate his illegal rulings.

Terri's Law was predictably struck down. Attorneys who are presumably working for Terri's best interest have not only not taken any formal action against Judge Greer, they even go so far as to say that Terri's Law is the only thing that is standing between Terri and death! (This actually sets the public up to believe that Judge Greer, in all spite of all his illegal rulings, is fit to order Terri's feeding tube removal.)

What these attorneys should be saying is that if Judge Greer actually heeded the Florida statutes already on the books, and ruled according to law rather than according to an agenda, there would have been no need for Terri's Law in the first place.

Terri's Law does not stand between Terri's life and death. Judge Greer and his uncontested illegal rulings are what stand between Terri's life and death.

Terri's Law may or may not be ruled constitutional. Judge Greer's rulings, however, are provably in violation of Florida laws and judicial canons. See: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/judge_greer_violations_statutes.html

Formal complaints and briefs need to be filed to the proper authorities to expose Judge Greer's violations of Terri Schindler Schiavo's retained rights as an incapacitated individual, his refusal to admit evidence that goes contrary to the death agenda, his refusal to remove a disqualified guardian, his refusal to honor Florida statutes and judical canons, etc.

The formal complaints should be made public. The Judical Qualifications Commission and other relevant authorities needs to be made accountable for their decisions regarding Judge Greer's actions.

95 posted on 07/18/2004 11:57:59 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Pinellas County Primary Elections and Florida Supreme Court Hearing of Terri's Law: Both Scheduled for August 31st!

This year the Pinellas Countywide primary elections take place on August 31, 2004. In the unlikely event of a standoff it would be voted on again in the General Election in November.

Apparently the Pinellas primary election is customarily held in the same general time frame. The primary election could have been scheduled for September 7th and been consistent with the dates used in the past, but they chose the August 31st date.

http://votepinellas.com/election.aspx?eid=44&PrecinctGroup=

August 31st was selected for the Pinellas County primary election for a reason. Perhaps the Supervisor of Elections like to keep in good graces with the power behind the politics in Clearwater, Florida: Scientology.
Predictably, the Pinellas Supervisor of Elections Deborah Clark is cozy with the "church" of Scientology, as well as many other elected public officials in Clearwater--including the mayor.

See: An Invitation to the fort http://sptimes.com/2002/01/26/news_pf/TampaBay/An_invitation_to_the_.shtml

Not coincidentally, the Florida Supreme Court chose the August 31st date to begin hearing Terri's Law. (See Post 90)

According to the information linked to below, neither candidate has yet completed the "qualification" process.

http://www.votepinellas.com/OfficeCandidates.aspx?eid=44&oid=413&pid=-1

If the "qualifications" needed to run for Circuit Court 6 judge have anything to do with the Loyalty Oath document that committee men and committee women have to sign, then Judge Greer's past rulings in the Terri Schiavo case indicate that he does not qualify: "...do hereby solemnly swear or affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States and of the State of Florida." http://election.dos.state.fl.us/forms/pdf/dsde24c.pdf

96 posted on 07/20/2004 11:29:26 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Correction for this misconstructed sentence: "Predictably, the Pinellas Supervisor of Elections Deborah Clark is cozy with the "church" of Scientology, as well as many other elected public officials in Clearwater--including the mayor."

My intention was to communicate that Scientology is cozy with The Pinellas Supervisor of Elections and also with other elected public officials--including the mayor.

Florida Officials are Holding Hands with the "Church" of Scientology and there is ample evidence of that:

Many Florida politicians and government officials have an accommodative relationship with Scientology. For example, Pinellas County Sheriff Everett Rice, along with "over 540 dignitaries and guests from throughout the Tampa Bay" attended the gala event on January 18, 2003: the 76th Anniversary of the Fort Harrison, Scientology's international religious retreat.

The guests included the Mayor (Brian Aungst), Deputy Mayor and City Commissioner of Clearwater, the Clearwater and Hillsborough County Commissioners, the Sheriff (Everett Rice) and Deputy Sheriff of Pinellas County, mayors from seven surrounding cities, a representative from the Florida State Attorney's office, two former state senators, the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives (Johnnie Byrd), hundreds of local judges, attorneys, top business executives and other opinion leaders from throughout the community.

Quote source: Florida Politcians, Government Officials & Scientology

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sp/FLA.html

97 posted on 07/20/2004 11:54:04 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Terri's Law: A Scientology Sham

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/terris_law_a_scientology_sham.html

98 posted on 07/21/2004 6:58:25 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Pat Anderson, attorney for Robert and Mary Schindler, is well-acquainted with Scientology and their litigation practices.

Ms Anderson had a central role in the notorious Lisa McPherson case. Lisa, a Scientologist, became severely dehydrated and died of thrombo-embolism (blood clot) of her left pulmonary artery while being held against her will at Scientology headquarters-- the Fort Harrison Hotel.

Pat Anderson held the key position of representing the person who would make or break the prosecution's case against Scientology: Dr. Joan Wood.

This case, in which Scientology was charged with the abuse/neglect of a disabled adult and the illegal practice of medicine, turned out favorably for Scientology due to the reversal of the prosecutor's key witness: Dr. Joan Wood. Dr. Wood initially found that the cause of Lisa McPherson's death, of which SEVERE dehydration played a major role, was "undetermined."

See Dr. Wood's initial report:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/lisa_mcpherson_report_of_autopsy.html

Later, after Scientology "thoroughly investigated the matter, looked at the evidence, called in the leading experts and presented the information to the Medical Examiner," (poured on the fair game tactics) Dr. Wood AMENDED the certificate to read that Lisa's death was an "accident" and therefore not attributable to any actions of the "church" or its staff.

See Dr. Wood's amended report: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/lisa_mcpherson_report_of_autopsy_amended.html

It is no coincidence that the same crimes Scientology was idicted for in the Lisa McPherson case — abuse and neglect of a disabled adult and the illegal practice of medicine —are being repeated against Terri Schindler Schiavo.

Judge Greer permits Michael Schiavo to abuse and neglect Terri as well as practice medicine without a license. (Michael Schiavo, not Terri's doctor, makes all the decisions regarding her medical care: denying antibiotics, denying rehabiltation, denying fresh air, etc.)

[Note: Michael Schiavo is a nurse, not a medical doctor.]


PR Newswire

http://web.archive.org/web/20030605103333/http://www.findarticles.com/cf_1/m4PRN/2000_June_14/62728173/p1/article.jhtml

99 posted on 07/23/2004 12:42:27 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Lisa, BTTT!!

Pegita:

Eze 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I [am] against you, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD.

Eze 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I [am] against you, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze013.html#9

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Scientology and Terri Schiavo, Is there a Connection?
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Posted on 06/23/2004 9:01:47 AM PDT by Coleus

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Eze 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

Eze 13:23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

101 posted on 07/23/2004 8:06:36 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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I ran across the story on Joan Wood a few days ago, and was wondering if you had seen it. I did a google search then, and found that the original story had been posted at FR. I've been meaning to post it, but I've been reading so much and trying to digest it all, that I hadn't gotten around to it yet. I had NOT seen these documents, however. What a find!

Here's a link to the FR story:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:u1UGYzbWsRQJ:209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/738466/posts++scientology+Joan+Wood+medical+examiner+freerepublic.com&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Interesting connections to Germany. Had you heard about Scientology's Operation Snow White against Germany?

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:A1A6oBV-1K8J:www.raullopez.org/germnw.htm+robert+reich+scientology&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 [The reason I had robert reich in the search terms was because he had made some very interesting remarks recently - search FR - and I was trying to see if he was connected to Scientology.]

[***Note: I do agree with what seem paranoic rantings about INTERPOL and the psychiatrists et al. Liz Toolan has an on-line book about the psychiatrists behind Hitler. It's called THE MEN BEHIND HITLER at toolan.com. See also here*** http://www.theawaregroup.com/tab%20articles/enemywithin.htm . I also read, possibly on one of these links that there were indeed links to INTERPOL discovered by one man. There were two men named and I can't for the life of me remember exactly what I read. If you run across it, will you please post it? ]

Germany's reaction to scientology in their midst [good reading]: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:04rFxPeoMK8J:www.lermanet.com/cisar/survey/gp2.htm%3FFACTNet+scientology+lying+about+8+million+members+55,000&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


one excerpt:

Scientology: The Profit-Sect: Part 1
From: "Die Woche"
May 12, 1995

By Norbert Blüm

The largest and most dangerous sect in Germany is covertly changing the economy.

They deal in power. They deal in money. When we look around us in the world today, it quickly becomes clear that a new form of sect is emerging, one that leads to death. I am thinking of the mass murders of the Sun Temple in Switzerland, the Aum sect in Japan, and the Davidians and the militia in the United States. They fight their own battles and lead their own personal wars. We have to focus on this type of warfare.

A war does not only take place when people are wounded or killed. War does not only occur when buildings lie in ruins and ashes. Whoever vanquishes the innermost personality of a human being is also leading a war. What I mean here is the worldwide campaign of Scientology, from whom no mercy is granted.

An imperialistic organization has taken it upon themselves to infiltrate business and manipulate people. Its goal for power in the economy includes placing its own members in personnel departments and on management boards. In other areas, such as real estate, publishing, and software development, it gathers contacts and information, again with the goal of gaining more power. This is a covert campaign of conquest which is all the more dangerous as it operates behind closed doors. We must stop it.

It's about time that something be done. If one believes the Scientology publications, the organization, which has operated since 1954 under the name of "Church of Scientology", has undertaken a years-long campaign to transform Germany into an allegedly higher state of consciousness. It has stated that its goals include the takeover of five percent of the German book market, the gaining of 15 percent of the opinion leaders for its own purposes, and finally the takeover of power. According to statements by the organization, Germany has at least 30,000 adherents of Ron Hubbard. Hubbard, the American founder of the sect, died in 1986.

"Using the appearance of a religious community," the states' Interior Ministers determined over a year ago, Scientology combines "elements of white collar crime and psycho-terrorism against its members in commercial activities and sect-like practices." In March, the federal labor court in Kassel decided that Scientology is not a church, but a commercial business.

According to the observations of former Scientologists, a danger exists that members, who are mercilessly gauged by income statistics and the success of the mission, will cause damage to their companies in the course of fulfilling assignments from the organization. This damage includes embezzlement of money or information, industrial espionage, disloyal behavior and violation of the confidentiality agreement. The organization leaves, in its wake, bankrupt companies and former members who have been ruined psychologically as well as financially.

Unfortunately, no good would be done by banning Scientology. That would only create martyrs. One has to interfere with the non-transparent business of the organization. Only one strategy is effective against Hubbard's ideology of "business, business, business." That is the strategy of information, information, information. For this reason I call upon all concerned: the Office of Constitutional Protection, businesses, and also schools. We must use all means available to us to remove the camouflage used by Scientology. We must meet it face on. We must not give in, not even when we are under its threats. It relies on the cowardice of society, and the desire to have peace, as opposed to conflict. I don't think that way. Nobody need yield to fear of repression, especially the media. There has to be a chain of defense.

Perhaps my experiences can contribute to the breaking of the tabu [of conflict]. Last year a Scientologist from Nurnberg received a license from the Federal Labor Office for his company to act as a private employment agency. After his membership in Scientology became known, we withdrew the license.

In the past year, I have been calling Scientology what it really is: a criminal money laundering organization which will stop at nothing in its world-wide effort to advance its ideology under the auspices of religion. Scientology reacted by applying for the issue of a temporary order. It was turned down by the judge. The main decision lies before us. I am confident of the outcome. I have said nothing that I will retract. The spiteful advertisement campaign from the United States which equates allegedly persecuted Scientologists to the victims of Auschwitz will not cause me to become amenable to discussion. That would be perfidy. It is time to put a stop to the people who are pulling the strings in this ruthless organization. Have courage!

NORBERT BLÜM (59) has been Federal Minister of Labor and Social Welfare since 1982. His studies include Catholic theology.

Scientology: The Profit Sect: part 2 - end quote.

Now, as I said, I'm still digesting, but I read that since the controversial and secret agreement between the IRS and Scientology, where the IRS reversed an earlier position and now considers Scientology a religion for tax-purposes, Germany followed suit. Trying to get the timeline straight, and am swallowed up with notes.

The Shadowy Story Behind Scientology's Tax-Exempt Status
By DOUGLAS FRANTZ
March 9, 1997
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/nytimes/nyt-irs-030997.htm Very interesting story.

Did you know Charles Mason was a Scientologist?

I apologize if I'm repeating things you've already covered. When I first read this I wondered why it all sounded so familiar. Then when I got to the part about Lisa McPherson dying of dehydration I remembered reading the story and posted it (or not, since my computer often crashes and I never know what I've posted or not), and I remember thinking it very interesting at the time, but I honestly didn't make any other connection. This whole scientology thing was totally under my radar screen. I just had no idea....

I'm going to post a few other things I have on my screen, because the computer is acting sluggish again, and I need to go off-line for a bit, and I'm afraid it will freeze up.


Charles Manson Was a Scientologist
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm

Son of Scientology
He’s the son of the founder of the controversial church he now calls a dangerous cult.
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/newsherald-DeWolfe07-82.htm [I thing it is in here that he states that his father was taking sodium barbitol [whatever and something else] for dodenal ulcers when he was at the Naval hospital. What is that truth serum made of. Anyone know? I still think Hubbard was a mind-control project himself, and didn't know it, but had latent memories of psycho psychiatrists (maybe Operation Paperclip?), and that's why he was on a campaign against psychiatrists, or else he was brainwashed to campaign against them in order to make some more profit for the Rockefeller Syndicate [...Murder by Injection] whilst they turned Americans and the rest of the world into happy, mind-controlled little robots for the NWO.

Ida Camburn's Promise

In 1977, Ms. Ida Camburn, promised Congressman Leo J Ryan that she would "continue to do what she was doing" and promised her son, who 'disconnected from her' that she would try for the rest of her life to get him back from the cult called Scientology. ****Congressman Ryan was gunned down in Guyana November 18th 1978, Ms.. Camburn's struggle for her son continues to this day. Read her story here - Ida Camburn's Promise,,,, {I believe the story and many, many, more is here: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:RcWc9hR9vL4J:www.lermanet.com/+scientology+lying+about+8+million+members+55,000&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 [This might be interesting to follow up on. This refers to the Jim Jones affair. If I remember correctly, that was reputed to be another CIA mind-control project.]


SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION OR INTELLIGENCE AGENCY? http://home.snafu.de/tilman/j/berlin.html
[my opinion: front for the CIA] good article! JUST NOTICED THIS - HAVE NOT CHECKED OUT: 'With reference to minority groups, Scientology has allied itself with other totalist groups ("cults”) including the Unification Church, or Moonies and the Children of God (Family of Love). Scientology officials deny the registration in Strassbourg in December 1992 of FIREPHIM. This was allegedly a pact between the Moonies, COG, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Raelians and even the Bahá'í (see note). '

This is huge. I have a quote around here someplace that I have been trying to put my hands on. I THINK it was to the effect that Rothschild told Rockefeller (or was it Weishaupt? or somebody else? to gather all the OCCULT societies into ONE. Rothschild also enjoined Jacob Schiff, who enjoined one of the Rockefellers (John D.?) to infiltrate the seminaries and churches in America to destroy them from within.] THIS IS A MUST READ. I haven't finished it yet.

'Scientology's claim's of "8 million members" is a lie!
evidence from City University of New York shows only 55,000 say they are Scientologists in the US.' http://www.lermanet.com/howmany.htm



'...There is something terribly wrong with a court system that allows the
>continuous abuses that Moxon and the cult are able to pull off. What is
>this about missing or altered records in one of your cases Keith? It
>sounds and smells like the cult has gained an unusual and undue amount of
>control of the courts in CA, much like here in FL.
Barb also posted in reply to Graham letter: >What are you referring to regarding ALTERED COURT DOCUMENTS? They
>actually are rewriting these things after they're filed? Man, if this is true,
>it's time for the Feds to do their g*dd*mn JOB and investigate this crap!...'http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/kh204.htm

Right. That'll happen.

'Court Case Poses Challenge to Scientology Tax Break

By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON, March 24, 2004, (c) NY Times

LOS ANGELES, March 21 - A trial is to begin here on Wednesday morning to determine whether a Jewish couple can deduct the cost of religious education for their five children, a tax benefit they say the federal government has granted to members of just one religion, the Church of Scientology.

The potential ramifications are huge, for a ruling in favor of the couple could affect the millions of Americans who send their children to religious schools of all types. At stake is whether people of all religions can deduct the cost of religious education as a charitable gift, as Scientologists are allowed to do under an officially ***secret 1993 agreement with the Internal Revenue Service.

That agreement came despite a 1989 Supreme Court ruling denying tax deductions for money paid in fees set by the Church of Scientology for its "auditing" and "training" services. The Supreme Court decision said the money did not qualify for the charitable gift deduction because it involved a fixed price and was akin to a fee for a service....' http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:RcWc9hR9vL4J:www.lermanet.com/+scientology+lying+about+8+million+members+55,000&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 [relates to IRS story above].

OPERATION PAPERCLIP: SEARCH THE UNDERGROUND NAZI INVASION OF THE UNITED STATES

ALSO: THE HITLER FILES FROM THE 40'S GERMANY'S PLANS FOR THE AMERICAS! http;//www.hiddenmysteries.com/item/item32.html

huge site here - I haven't had a chance to look at it:
http://www.rickross.com/groups/scientology.html#Scientology's Private Investigators
[This page contains information The Rick A. Ross Institute has
gathered about Scientology.]


STATE OF FLORIDA CITY OF CLEARWATER PINELLAS COUNTY
CITY OF CLEARWATER COMMISSION HEARINGS RE: THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY
Clearwater City Hall Clearwater, Florida Monday, May 10, 1982
http://www.lermanet.com/82cwcommission/5-001-144.txt




"...Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy... censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives." --Robert A. Heinlein, -If This Goes On
Scientology Gag Agreements - A Conspiracy for Silence
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/silence.htm

HERE's the Ida Campburn link:
SPECIAL OPS against the 'church's' 'enemies':
http://www.lermanet.com/idacamburn/ops.htm


Glad you're on top of this, Lisa. This is all pretty overwhelming, and I know God is in charge of things here, which is a good thing, because I only have the faith of a mustard seed right now in the face of this. I hope he is going to turn this to His glory, and Terri will be freed.

102 posted on 07/23/2004 1:01:20 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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103 posted on 07/23/2004 1:05:48 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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Thanks for the information. I will try to read it but it will take me some time.

No, I did not know about Charles Manson and Scientology.

I am focusing on the actions of people involved in the Terri Schiavo case that further Scientology's agenda.

Thanks again for joining me in this thread.

104 posted on 07/24/2004 12:51:42 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Pat Anderson and Her Role in the Lisa McPherson Case

Pat Anderson, attorney for Robert and Mary Schindler, is well-acquainted with Scientology and their trademark litigation practices.

Ms Anderson had a central role in the high-profile Lisa McPherson case. Lisa, a Scientologist, became severely dehydrated and died of thrombo-embolism (blood clot) of her left pulmonary artery while being held against her will at Scientology headquarters — the Fort Harrison Hotel.

Pat Anderson held the key position of representing the person who would ultimately make or break the prosecution's case against Scientology — Dr. Joan Wood.
note: Pat Anderson e-mailed me on July 24, 2004 to inform me of her involvement with Dr. Wood:

At the time I represented Dr. Wood, there was no Lisa McPherson case. Before the prosecutor filed any charges, the Church decided to take a pro-active stand and made a public records demand for the physical evidence in Dr. Wood's possession relating to McPherson's death. Dr. Wood refused to give them the evidence. The Church filed a public records lawsuit against her, seeking a court order requiring her to turn over the evidence. I defended her in that lawsuit. Dr. Wood won. The case ended.

That is the sum total of my connection to the McPherson affair.

response: Even though Ms Anderson was not directly involved with the prosecution's case against Scientology, she did represent Dr. Joan Wood against Scientology in a crucial preliminary case. Scientology, who claimed that Dr. Wood lied about the evidence regarding the autopsy, sued Dr. Wood for the records.

Ms Anderson said Dr. Wood won, but Scientology was quite happy with the records that were released. Scientology attorney Morris Weinberg called it a total vindication:

"``It is a total vindication for not only the church's position but for all those members of the public that will now get the true facts.''

(Scientology can see some, not all, evidence)

Weinberg's use of the word "vindicated" suggests that Scientology got what they needed to plan their strategy against Dr. Wood:

Circuit Judge Bob Barker ruled that the church, as well as the public, is entitled to drafts and notes taken during the autopsy, the autopsy report, lab reports that document McPherson's hydration, the length of her unconsciousness, the cause of death, the cause of blood clotting, the appearance and cause of the insect bites, photographs of the bites, material pertaining to consistency of ``chronic process,'' photocopies of certain slides and certain lab reports regarding physical specimens.

(Scientology can see some, not all, evidence)

Long before Bernie McCabe filed felony charges against them, Scientology, was aware of Dr. Wood's findings. They had plenty of time to develop a plan to fair game Dr. Wood into changing the cause of death from "undetermined" to "accidental" which in turn prompted Bernie McCabe to drop the charges altogether.

This case, in which Scientology was charged with the abuse and or/neglect of a disabled adult and the illegal practice of medicine, did have a favorable outcome for Scientology due to Dr. Joan Wood's decision to change the cause of death on the autopsy report.

Dr. Wood's initial report of autopsy found that the cause of Lisa McPherson's death, of which severe dehydration played a major role, was "undetermined." This finding was not acceptable to Scientology, and they waged a fierce battle to change Dr. Wood's finding to suit their agenda. They succeeded.

Under pressure from experts hired by the Church of Scientology, Wood quietly amended her autopsy report on Feb. 16. The manner of McPherson's death was changed from "undetermined" to "accident." Wood also removed one cause of death ("bed rest and severe dehydration") and added a new significant condition ("psychosis and history of auto accident.")

(Quote source: A Cry For Justice)

Bernie McCabe used Dr. Wood's reversal as an excuse to drop all charges against Scientology. He even chose a Scientology high day (June 12, 2000) to do it!

Pat Anderson began representing the Schindlers in Terri's guardianship case the following year, shortly before Terri's feeding was stopped the first time. Ms Anderson calls the completely irregular (illegal) way Terri's case has been handled, "the rule of Terri." She is not unaware of Scientology's control of this case.

Wesley J. Smith quoted Pat as saying:

"If following a legal procedure will likely result in Terri dying, it will be adhered to. But if a procedure could make that outcome more difficult to attain, it will not be followed."

(The Rule of Terri's Case Strikes Again)

The problem with this statement is that legal procedures will not result in the death of Terri Schiavo. That is why the Scientology-run Circuit Court 6 has been using illegal procedures all these years.

Pat Anderson has been involved in two high-profile Scientology cases involving dehydration: the Lisa McPherson case and the Terri Schindler Schiavo case.

While Scientology's role was overt in the Lisa McPherson case and partially covert in the Terri Schiavo case, the main criminal issues are the same:

abuse and/or neglect of a disabled adult

practice of medicine without a license

dehydration.


It is no coincidence that the same crimes for which Scientology was indicted in the Lisa McPherson case — abuse and neglect of a disabled adult and the illegal practice of medicine — are being repeated against Terri Schindler Schiavo.

Judge Greer permits Michael Schiavo to abuse and neglect Terri as well as practice medicine without a license. It is Michael Schiavo, not Terri's doctor, who makes all the decisions regarding her medical care. It is Michael, not a medical doctor, who has practiced outlaw medicine and denied Terri antibiotics, dental care, gynecological care, physical, occupational, recreational or speech therapy; social interaction, fresh air, etc.)



See post #79 Ex-Mayor Gabe Cazares Unknowingly Hired a Scientology Attorney


See post #85 Pat Anderson knows how to prosecute judges.

See post #92 One reason Scientology is able to accomplish so much via litigation is because they infiltrate the opposition with their own attorneys.

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/pat_anderson_lisa_mcpherson.html

105 posted on 07/26/2004 8:27:09 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Gordon Watts filed an excellent brief opposing Terri's Law! He affirmed Michael Schiavo's opposition to Terri's Law, but for entirely different reasons.

Focus of brief:

"The distraction of the Terri’s Law fight has certainly caused injury to the public, because lack of enforcement of a multitude of laws, including felony abuse laws and some assisted suicide laws, which had previously been enforced, outweighed any limited relief gained by use of "Terri’s Law."

http://www.geocities.com/gordon_watts32313/AmicusWATTS_SC04-925.doc

Please read this short brief. If you agree with Gordon, contact him asap at: Gww1210@aol.com

106 posted on 07/30/2004 9:57:09 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Dr. William Hammesfahr, whose press release is below, is the renowned doctor who offered to treat Terri Schindler Schiavo for FREE.

Judge Greer, who is "convinced" Terri would rather suffer a horrible dehydration death than be treated (the idea of wanting to die rather than be treated is such blatant SCIENTOLOGY doctrine that it is screaming at you in the face!), refused to allow it. Judge Greer's refusal to allow Terri Schindler Schiavo to be rehabilitated is a crime. What are the Terri advocate attorneys doing about this?


ORLANDO, FL (PRWEB) June 25, 2004 -- Dr. William Hammesfahr, M.D., noted neurologist, will be speaking at the National Peripheral Neuropathy Convention in Orlando on Saturday, June 26, 2004. Dr. Hammesfahr will be a featured lecturer, speaking about “Neuropathy Pain” and “Diabetic Neuropathy.” Dr. Hammesfahr will be commenting on the connection between neuropathy pain and poor blood flow and treatment options to help relieve pain and other symptoms caused by the condition. Dr. Hammesfahr is a recognized expert in treating neurological disorders through improving and normalizing blood flow into the damaged areas.

Peripheral neuropathy describes damage to the peripheral nerves, the vast communications network that transmits information from the brain and spinal cord to every other part of the body. It may be caused by diseases of the nerves or as the result of overall illness. Many neuropathies are caused by other conditions like diabetes, uremia, AIDs, arthritis or nutritional deficiencies. In fact, over 60% of the people with diabetes also have peripheral neuropathy. Other causes include pressure from trauma like fractures, bruises, tumors or intraneural hemorrhage. Although the causes of peripheral neuropathy are diverse, they produce common symptoms including weakness, numbness, paresthesia (abnormal sensations such as burning, tickling, pricking or tingling) and pain in the arms, hands, legs and/or feet. A large number of cases are of unknown cause.

Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999 for his work in brain injury and stroke. He has successfully treated thousands of patients using vasodilator therapy which increases blood flow to the brain healing conditions previously thought to be untreatable. He has been using this technology for more than a decade with good results. Patients are seeing remarkable reduction in pain, return of function in previously unusable limbs, and return of lost sight, hearing, and other function. In 2000, this work resulted in approval for the first patent in history granted for the treatment of neurological diseases including coma, stroke, brain injury, cerebral palsy, hypoxic injuries and other neurovascular disorders with medications that restore blood flow to the brain. It was extended to treat successfully disabilities including ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourette's and Autism as well as behaviorally and emotionally disturbed children, seizures and severe migraines.

The federal government has recognized Dr. Hammesfahr’s clinical expertise, naming him Reviewer and Chief Reviewer for evaluation and funding for new clinical research programs. He has also been a court-recognized expert and a court-ordered treating physician for these techniques that he pioneered. He has lectured and published extensively. Dr. Hammesfahr graduated from the Northwestern Honors Program in Medical Education in 1982, a program which only accepts a small number of high school students directly into medical school. He then trained in Neurosurgery and Neurology at the Medical College in Virginia. He has received Board Certification in both Neurology and Pain Management.

Dr. Hammesfahr’s work has been presented at numerous conferences and on the web. The National Peripheral Neuropathy Convention is June 25-27 from 9-5. He will be speaking on Saturday, June 26th: Neuropathy Pain 9:00-10:20 and Diabetic Neuropathy 200-3:20. All conference activities will be held at:

Hawthorne Suites Orlando Airport
7450 Augusta Drive
Orlando, Florida407-438-2121

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/6/prweb136836.htm

107 posted on 08/06/2004 11:02:12 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Eze 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

Eze 13:23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

101 posted on 07/23/2004 8:06:36 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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I ran across the story on Joan Wood a few days ago, and was wondering if you had seen it. I did a google search then, and found that the original story had been posted at FR. I've been meaning to post it, but I've been reading so much and trying to digest it all, that I hadn't gotten around to it yet. I had NOT seen these documents, however. What a find!

Here's a link to the FR story:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:u1UGYzbWsRQJ:209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/738466/posts++scientology+Joan+Wood+medical+examiner+freerepublic.com&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Interesting connections to Germany. Had you heard about Scientology's Operation Snow White against Germany?

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:A1A6oBV-1K8J:www.raullopez.org/germnw.htm+robert+reich+scientology&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 [The reason I had robert reich in the search terms was because he had made some very interesting remarks recently - search FR - and I was trying to see if he was connected to Scientology.]

[***Note: I do agree with what seem paranoic rantings about INTERPOL and the psychiatrists et al. Liz Toolan has an on-line book about the psychiatrists behind Hitler. It's called THE MEN BEHIND HITLER at toolan.com. See also here*** http://www.theawaregroup.com/tab%20articles/enemywithin.htm . I also read, possibly on one of these links that there were indeed links to INTERPOL discovered by one man. There were two men named and I can't for the life of me remember exactly what I read. If you run across it, will you please post it? ]

Germany's reaction to scientology in their midst [good reading]: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:04rFxPeoMK8J:www.lermanet.com/cisar/survey/gp2.htm%3FFACTNet+scientology+lying+about+8+million+members+55,000&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


one excerpt:

Scientology: The Profit-Sect: Part 1
From: "Die Woche"
May 12, 1995

By Norbert Blüm

The largest and most dangerous sect in Germany is covertly changing the economy.

They deal in power. They deal in money. When we look around us in the world today, it quickly becomes clear that a new form of sect is emerging, one that leads to death. I am thinking of the mass murders of the Sun Temple in Switzerland, the Aum sect in Japan, and the Davidians and the militia in the United States. They fight their own battles and lead their own personal wars. We have to focus on this type of warfare.

A war does not only take place when people are wounded or killed. War does not only occur when buildings lie in ruins and ashes. Whoever vanquishes the innermost personality of a human being is also leading a war. What I mean here is the worldwide campaign of Scientology, from whom no mercy is granted.

An imperialistic organization has taken it upon themselves to infiltrate business and manipulate people. Its goal for power in the economy includes placing its own members in personnel departments and on management boards. In other areas, such as real estate, publishing, and software development, it gathers contacts and information, again with the goal of gaining more power. This is a covert campaign of conquest which is all the more dangerous as it operates behind closed doors. We must stop it.

It's about time that something be done. If one believes the Scientology publications, the organization, which has operated since 1954 under the name of "Church of Scientology", has undertaken a years-long campaign to transform Germany into an allegedly higher state of consciousness. It has stated that its goals include the takeover of five percent of the German book market, the gaining of 15 percent of the opinion leaders for its own purposes, and finally the takeover of power. According to statements by the organization, Germany has at least 30,000 adherents of Ron Hubbard. Hubbard, the American founder of the sect, died in 1986.

"Using the appearance of a religious community," the states' Interior Ministers determined over a year ago, Scientology combines "elements of white collar crime and psycho-terrorism against its members in commercial activities and sect-like practices." In March, the federal labor court in Kassel decided that Scientology is not a church, but a commercial business.

According to the observations of former Scientologists, a danger exists that members, who are mercilessly gauged by income statistics and the success of the mission, will cause damage to their companies in the course of fulfilling assignments from the organization. This damage includes embezzlement of money or information, industrial espionage, disloyal behavior and violation of the confidentiality agreement. The organization leaves, in its wake, bankrupt companies and former members who have been ruined psychologically as well as financially.

Unfortunately, no good would be done by banning Scientology. That would only create martyrs. One has to interfere with the non-transparent business of the organization. Only one strategy is effective against Hubbard's ideology of "business, business, business." That is the strategy of information, information, information. For this reason I call upon all concerned: the Office of Constitutional Protection, businesses, and also schools. We must use all means available to us to remove the camouflage used by Scientology. We must meet it face on. We must not give in, not even when we are under its threats. It relies on the cowardice of society, and the desire to have peace, as opposed to conflict. I don't think that way. Nobody need yield to fear of repression, especially the media. There has to be a chain of defense.

Perhaps my experiences can contribute to the breaking of the tabu [of conflict]. Last year a Scientologist from Nurnberg received a license from the Federal Labor Office for his company to act as a private employment agency. After his membership in Scientology became known, we withdrew the license.

In the past year, I have been calling Scientology what it really is: a criminal money laundering organization which will stop at nothing in its world-wide effort to advance its ideology under the auspices of religion. Scientology reacted by applying for the issue of a temporary order. It was turned down by the judge. The main decision lies before us. I am confident of the outcome. I have said nothing that I will retract. The spiteful advertisement campaign from the United States which equates allegedly persecuted Scientologists to the victims of Auschwitz will not cause me to become amenable to discussion. That would be perfidy. It is time to put a stop to the people who are pulling the strings in this ruthless organization. Have courage!

NORBERT BLÜM (59) has been Federal Minister of Labor and Social Welfare since 1982. His studies include Catholic theology.

Scientology: The Profit Sect: part 2 - end quote.

Now, as I said, I'm still digesting, but I read that since the controversial and secret agreement between the IRS and Scientology, where the IRS reversed an earlier position and now considers Scientology a religion for tax-purposes, Germany followed suit. Trying to get the timeline straight, and am swallowed up with notes.

The Shadowy Story Behind Scientology's Tax-Exempt Status
By DOUGLAS FRANTZ
March 9, 1997
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/nytimes/nyt-irs-030997.htm Very interesting story.

Did you know Charles Mason was a Scientologist?

I apologize if I'm repeating things you've already covered. When I first read this I wondered why it all sounded so familiar. Then when I got to the part about Lisa McPherson dying of dehydration I remembered reading the story and posted it (or not, since my computer often crashes and I never know what I've posted or not), and I remember thinking it very interesting at the time, but I honestly didn't make any other connection. This whole scientology thing was totally under my radar screen. I just had no idea....

I'm going to post a few other things I have on my screen, because the computer is acting sluggish again, and I need to go off-line for a bit, and I'm afraid it will freeze up.


Charles Manson Was a Scientologist
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm

Son of Scientology
He’s the son of the founder of the controversial church he now calls a dangerous cult.
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/newsherald-DeWolfe07-82.htm [I thing it is in here that he states that his father was taking sodium barbitol [whatever and something else] for dodenal ulcers when he was at the Naval hospital. What is that truth serum made of. Anyone know? I still think Hubbard was a mind-control project himself, and didn't know it, but had latent memories of psycho psychiatrists (maybe Operation Paperclip?), and that's why he was on a campaign against psychiatrists, or else he was brainwashed to campaign against them in order to make some more profit for the Rockefeller Syndicate [...Murder by Injection] whilst they turned Americans and the rest of the world into happy, mind-controlled little robots for the NWO.

Ida Camburn's Promise

In 1977, Ms. Ida Camburn, promised Congressman Leo J Ryan that she would "continue to do what she was doing" and promised her son, who 'disconnected from her' that she would try for the rest of her life to get him back from the cult called Scientology. ****Congressman Ryan was gunned down in Guyana November 18th 1978, Ms.. Camburn's struggle for her son continues to this day. Read her story here - Ida Camburn's Promise,,,, {I believe the story and many, many, more is here: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:RcWc9hR9vL4J:www.lermanet.com/+scientology+lying+about+8+million+members+55,000&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 [This might be interesting to follow up on. This refers to the Jim Jones affair. If I remember correctly, that was reputed to be another CIA mind-control project.]


SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION OR INTELLIGENCE AGENCY? http://home.snafu.de/tilman/j/berlin.html
[my opinion: front for the CIA] good article! JUST NOTICED THIS - HAVE NOT CHECKED OUT: 'With reference to minority groups, Scientology has allied itself with other totalist groups ("cults”) including the Unification Church, or Moonies and the Children of God (Family of Love). Scientology officials deny the registration in Strassbourg in December 1992 of FIREPHIM. This was allegedly a pact between the Moonies, COG, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Raelians and even the Bahá'í (see note). '

This is huge. I have a quote around here someplace that I have been trying to put my hands on. I THINK it was to the effect that Rothschild told Rockefeller (or was it Weishaupt? or somebody else? to gather all the OCCULT societies into ONE. Rothschild also enjoined Jacob Schiff, who enjoined one of the Rockefellers (John D.?) to infiltrate the seminaries and churches in America to destroy them from within.] THIS IS A MUST READ. I haven't finished it yet.

'Scientology's claim's of "8 million members" is a lie!
evidence from City University of New York shows only 55,000 say they are Scientologists in the US.' http://www.lermanet.com/howmany.htm



'...There is something terribly wrong with a court system that allows the
>continuous abuses that Moxon and the cult are able to pull off. What is
>this about missing or altered records in one of your cases Keith? It
>sounds and smells like the cult has gained an unusual and undue amount of
>control of the courts in CA, much like here in FL.
Barb also posted in reply to Graham letter: >What are you referring to regarding ALTERED COURT DOCUMENTS? They
>actually are rewriting these things after they're filed? Man, if this is true,
>it's time for the Feds to do their g*dd*mn JOB and investigate this crap!...'http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/kh204.htm

Right. That'll happen.

'Court Case Poses Challenge to Scientology Tax Break

By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON, March 24, 2004, (c) NY Times

LOS ANGELES, March 21 - A trial is to begin here on Wednesday morning to determine whether a Jewish couple can deduct the cost of religious education for their five children, a tax benefit they say the federal government has granted to members of just one religion, the Church of Scientology.

The potential ramifications are huge, for a ruling in favor of the couple could affect the millions of Americans who send their children to religious schools of all types. At stake is whether people of all religions can deduct the cost of religious education as a charitable gift, as Scientologists are allowed to do under an officially ***secret 1993 agreement with the Internal Revenue Service.

That agreement came despite a 1989 Supreme Court ruling denying tax deductions for money paid in fees set by the Church of Scientology for its "auditing" and "training" services. The Supreme Court decision said the money did not qualify for the charitable gift deduction because it involved a fixed price and was akin to a fee for a service....' http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:RcWc9hR9vL4J:www.lermanet.com/+scientology+lying+about+8+million+members+55,000&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 [relates to IRS story above].

OPERATION PAPERCLIP: SEARCH THE UNDERGROUND NAZI INVASION OF THE UNITED STATES

ALSO: THE HITLER FILES FROM THE 40'S GERMANY'S PLANS FOR THE AMERICAS! http;//www.hiddenmysteries.com/item/item32.html

huge site here - I haven't had a chance to look at it:
http://www.rickross.com/groups/scientology.html#Scientology's Private Investigators
[This page contains information The Rick A. Ross Institute has
gathered about Scientology.]


STATE OF FLORIDA CITY OF CLEARWATER PINELLAS COUNTY
CITY OF CLEARWATER COMMISSION HEARINGS RE: THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY
Clearwater City Hall Clearwater, Florida Monday, May 10, 1982
http://www.lermanet.com/82cwcommission/5-001-144.txt




"...Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy... censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives." --Robert A. Heinlein, -If This Goes On
Scientology Gag Agreements - A Conspiracy for Silence
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/silence.htm

HERE's the Ida Campburn link:
SPECIAL OPS against the 'church's' 'enemies':
http://www.lermanet.com/idacamburn/ops.htm


Glad you're on top of this, Lisa. This is all pretty overwhelming, and I know God is in charge of things here, which is a good thing, because I only have the faith of a mustard seed right now in the face of this. I hope he is going to turn this to His glory, and Terri will be freed.

102 posted on 07/23/2004 1:01:20 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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To: Coleus; cyn

bump

103 posted on 07/23/2004 1:05:48 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)

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To: Ethan_Allen

Thanks for the information. I will try to read it but it will take me some time.

No, I did not know about Charles Manson and Scientology.

I am focusing on the actions of people involved in the Terri Schiavo case that further Scientology's agenda.

Thanks again for joining me in this thread.

104 posted on 07/24/2004 12:51:42 AM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Pat Anderson and Her Role in the Lisa McPherson Case

Pat Anderson, attorney for Robert and Mary Schindler, is well-acquainted with Scientology and their trademark litigation practices.

Ms Anderson had a central role in the high-profile Lisa McPherson case. Lisa, a Scientologist, became severely dehydrated and died of thrombo-embolism (blood clot) of her left pulmonary artery while being held against her will at Scientology headquarters — the Fort Harrison Hotel.

Pat Anderson held the key position of representing the person who would ultimately make or break the prosecution's case against Scientology — Dr. Joan Wood.
note: Pat Anderson e-mailed me on July 24, 2004 to inform me of her involvement with Dr. Wood:

At the time I represented Dr. Wood, there was no Lisa McPherson case. Before the prosecutor filed any charges, the Church decided to take a pro-active stand and made a public records demand for the physical evidence in Dr. Wood's possession relating to McPherson's death. Dr. Wood refused to give them the evidence. The Church filed a public records lawsuit against her, seeking a court order requiring her to turn over the evidence. I defended her in that lawsuit. Dr. Wood won. The case ended.

That is the sum total of my connection to the McPherson affair.

response: Even though Ms Anderson was not directly involved with the prosecution's case against Scientology, she did represent Dr. Joan Wood against Scientology in a crucial preliminary case. Scientology, who claimed that Dr. Wood lied about the evidence regarding the autopsy, sued Dr. Wood for the records.

Ms Anderson said Dr. Wood won, but Scientology was quite happy with the records that were released. Scientology attorney Morris Weinberg called it a total vindication:

"``It is a total vindication for not only the church's position but for all those members of the public that will now get the true facts.''

(Scientology can see some, not all, evidence)

Weinberg's use of the word "vindicated" suggests that Scientology got what they needed to plan their strategy against Dr. Wood:

Circuit Judge Bob Barker ruled that the church, as well as the public, is entitled to drafts and notes taken during the autopsy, the autopsy report, lab reports that document McPherson's hydration, the length of her unconsciousness, the cause of death, the cause of blood clotting, the appearance and cause of the insect bites, photographs of the bites, material pertaining to consistency of ``chronic process,'' photocopies of certain slides and certain lab reports regarding physical specimens.

(Scientology can see some, not all, evidence)

Long before Bernie McCabe filed felony charges against them, Scientology, was aware of Dr. Wood's findings. They had plenty of time to develop a plan to fair game Dr. Wood into changing the cause of death from "undetermined" to "accidental" which in turn prompted Bernie McCabe to drop the charges altogether.

This case, in which Scientology was charged with the abuse and or/neglect of a disabled adult and the illegal practice of medicine, did have a favorable outcome for Scientology due to Dr. Joan Wood's decision to change the cause of death on the autopsy report.

Dr. Wood's initial report of autopsy found that the cause of Lisa McPherson's death, of which severe dehydration played a major role, was "undetermined." This finding was not acceptable to Scientology, and they waged a fierce battle to change Dr. Wood's finding to suit their agenda. They succeeded.

Under pressure from experts hired by the Church of Scientology, Wood quietly amended her autopsy report on Feb. 16. The manner of McPherson's death was changed from "undetermined" to "accident." Wood also removed one cause of death ("bed rest and severe dehydration") and added a new significant condition ("psychosis and history of auto accident.")

(Quote source: A Cry For Justice)

Bernie McCabe used Dr. Wood's reversal as an excuse to drop all charges against Scientology. He even chose a Scientology high day (June 12, 2000) to do it!

Pat Anderson began representing the Schindlers in Terri's guardianship case the following year, shortly before Terri's feeding was stopped the first time. Ms Anderson calls the completely irregular (illegal) way Terri's case has been handled, "the rule of Terri." She is not unaware of Scientology's control of this case.

Wesley J. Smith quoted Pat as saying:

"If following a legal procedure will likely result in Terri dying, it will be adhered to. But if a procedure could make that outcome more difficult to attain, it will not be followed."

(The Rule of Terri's Case Strikes Again)

The problem with this statement is that legal procedures will not result in the death of Terri Schiavo. That is why the Scientology-run Circuit Court 6 has been using illegal procedures all these years.

Pat Anderson has been involved in two high-profile Scientology cases involving dehydration: the Lisa McPherson case and the Terri Schindler Schiavo case.

While Scientology's role was overt in the Lisa McPherson case and partially covert in the Terri Schiavo case, the main criminal issues are the same:

abuse and/or neglect of a disabled adult

practice of medicine without a license

dehydration.


It is no coincidence that the same crimes for which Scientology was indicted in the Lisa McPherson case — abuse and neglect of a disabled adult and the illegal practice of medicine — are being repeated against Terri Schindler Schiavo.

Judge Greer permits Michael Schiavo to abuse and neglect Terri as well as practice medicine without a license. It is Michael Schiavo, not Terri's doctor, who makes all the decisions regarding her medical care. It is Michael, not a medical doctor, who has practiced outlaw medicine and denied Terri antibiotics, dental care, gynecological care, physical, occupational, recreational or speech therapy; social interaction, fresh air, etc.)


See post #79 Ex-Mayor Gabe Cazares Unknowingly Hired a Scientology Attorney


See post #85 Pat Anderson knows how to prosecute judges.

See post #92 One reason Scientology is able to accomplish so much via litigation is because they infiltrate the opposition with their own attorneys.

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/pat_anderson_lisa_mcpherson.html

105 posted on 07/26/2004 8:27:09 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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To: Lisa Ruby

Gordon Watts filed an excellent brief opposing Terri's Law! He affirmed Michael Schiavo's opposition to Terri's Law, but for entirely different reasons.

Focus of brief:

"The distraction of the Terri’s Law fight has certainly caused injury to the public, because lack of enforcement of a multitude of laws, including felony abuse laws and some assisted suicide laws, which had previously been enforced, outweighed any limited relief gained by use of "Terri’s Law."

http://www.geocities.com/gordon_watts32313/AmicusWATTS_SC04-925.doc

Please read this short brief. If you agree with Gordon, contact him asap at: Gww1210@aol.com

106 posted on 07/30/2004 9:57:09 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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Dr. William Hammesfahr, whose press release is below, is the renowned doctor who offered to treat Terri Schindler Schiavo for FREE.

Judge Greer, who is "convinced" Terri would rather suffer a horrible dehydration death than be treated (the idea of wanting to die rather than be treated is such blatant SCIENTOLOGY doctrine that it is screaming at you in the face!), refused to allow it. Judge Greer's refusal to allow Terri Schindler Schiavo to be rehabilitated is a crime. What are the Terri advocate attorneys doing about this?


ORLANDO, FL (PRWEB) June 25, 2004 -- Dr. William Hammesfahr, M.D., noted neurologist, will be speaking at the National Peripheral Neuropathy Convention in Orlando on Saturday, June 26, 2004. Dr. Hammesfahr will be a featured lecturer, speaking about “Neuropathy Pain” and “Diabetic Neuropathy.” Dr. Hammesfahr will be commenting on the connection between neuropathy pain and poor blood flow and treatment options to help relieve pain and other symptoms caused by the condition. Dr. Hammesfahr is a recognized expert in treating neurological disorders through improving and normalizing blood flow into the damaged areas.

Peripheral neuropathy describes damage to the peripheral nerves, the vast communications network that transmits information from the brain and spinal cord to every other part of the body. It may be caused by diseases of the nerves or as the result of overall illness. Many neuropathies are caused by other conditions like diabetes, uremia, AIDs, arthritis or nutritional deficiencies. In fact, over 60% of the people with diabetes also have peripheral neuropathy. Other causes include pressure from trauma like fractures, bruises, tumors or intraneural hemorrhage. Although the causes of peripheral neuropathy are diverse, they produce common symptoms including weakness, numbness, paresthesia (abnormal sensations such as burning, tickling, pricking or tingling) and pain in the arms, hands, legs and/or feet. A large number of cases are of unknown cause.

Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999 for his work in brain injury and stroke. He has successfully treated thousands of patients using vasodilator therapy which increases blood flow to the brain healing conditions previously thought to be untreatable. He has been using this technology for more than a decade with good results. Patients are seeing remarkable reduction in pain, return of function in previously unusable limbs, and return of lost sight, hearing, and other function. In 2000, this work resulted in approval for the first patent in history granted for the treatment of neurological diseases including coma, stroke, brain injury, cerebral palsy, hypoxic injuries and other neurovascular disorders with medications that restore blood flow to the brain. It was extended to treat successfully disabilities including ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourette's and Autism as well as behaviorally and emotionally disturbed children, seizures and severe migraines.

The federal government has recognized Dr. Hammesfahr’s clinical expertise, naming him Reviewer and Chief Reviewer for evaluation and funding for new clinical research programs. He has also been a court-recognized expert and a court-ordered treating physician for these techniques that he pioneered. He has lectured and published extensively. Dr. Hammesfahr graduated from the Northwestern Honors Program in Medical Education in 1982, a program which only accepts a small number of high school students directly into medical school. He then trained in Neurosurgery and Neurology at the Medical College in Virginia. He has received Board Certification in both Neurology and Pain Management.

Dr. Hammesfahr’s work has been presented at numerous conferences and on the web. The National Peripheral Neuropathy Convention is June 25-27 from 9-5. He will be speaking on Saturday, June 26th: Neuropathy Pain 9:00-10:20 and Diabetic Neuropathy 200-3:20. All conference activities will be held at:

Hawthorne Suites Orlando Airport
7450 Augusta Drive
Orlando, Florida407-438-2121

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/6/prweb136836.htm

107 posted on 08/06/2004 11:02:12 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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[This is a post to "lakey" on the Terri Schiavo forum, but since it pertains to Scientology I am posting it here--along with documentation that proves Gov Jeb Bush had the authority to act all along.]

Wow, great info.

I'm glad you brought up that John Travolta is a Scientologist. You probably know that Greta Von Sustern is also a Scientologist.

In her interviews, Greta usually "goes along with the program."

Greta made at least three points that Michael Schiavo and his backers need the public to believe about this case in the January 12, 2004, interview, "Is a Florida Judge About to Throw Out a Law Keeping Terri Schiavo Alive?" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108134,00.html

Point #1. "GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: Tonight, a Florida judge may be closer to ruling on the constitutionally of a state law that's keeping severely brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive. Will the law be thrown out and Terri Schiavo disconnected from the feeding tube?"

Scientology agenda: Make people believe that Terri's Law the only thing that stands between Terri Schiavo and death. This is patently untrue. There are numerous laws that, if obeyed, more than adequately protect Terri Schiavo from a dehydration death. The most obvious law is that she is entitled to a qualified guardian, and her husband disqualified himself long ago.

Point #2. "VAN SUSTERN: Is the judge going to rule that the law is unconstitutional, giving Governor Bush the authority to order that feeding tube placed in Terri Schiavo?"

Scientology agenda: The public must believe that the governor of the state of Florida had no authority to prevent the dehydration/starvation of a citizen and thus had to be GIVEN special authority by means of a special law. This is not true. Gov. Jeb Bush has always had the authority to uphold the laws of the state of Florida--including the statutes that protect Terri Schindler Schiavo.

Gov. Bush was made perfectly aware that he already had the authority to put a stop to the heinous dehydration Terri Schindler Schiavo was undergoing at the behest of her unqualified "guardian."

World Net Daily reported:

"Not only does the governor have such power, but the governor has the constitutional duty to prevent any action taken pursuant to such a court order, because such action would violate Ms. Schindler-Schiavo's constitutionally guaranteed 'inalienable right to enjoy and defend life' regardless of her 'physical disability' as secured by Article 1 Section 2 of the Florida State Constitution," declared constitutional attorney Herb Titus, of Chesapeake, Va. http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35152

Several attorneys wrote to Gov. Jeb Bush. Below is a link to one of them:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2003/jw2jebreschiavo.htm

Point #3. "VAN SUSTEREN: Is there money in this, George, for your client? I mean -- I mean, once Terri dies, is there any more money left? I mean this has been dragging on for so long. Is there..."

Scientology agenda: Condition the public to think that Terri's death is inevitable. Greta should have said IF Terri dies because the outcome was not known at the time of the interview, but she chose to say "once Terri dies."


Nice talking with you. --Lisa

108 posted on 08/07/2004 11:06:14 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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In Keeping With the Larger Agenda, Lawmakers Ignore Michael Schiavo's Lawlessness

The following information was copied from Terrisfight.org in the late fall of 2003. As of January 20, 2004, the information below has been removed from terrisfight.org. WHY?

These statute violations have been on record in state court guardianship actions in front of Judge Greer for months and months if not years.

MICHAEL SCHIAVO HAS VIOLATED over a dozen Florida Statutes while acting as Terri's legal guardian. The following encompass some of the infractions; (in no particular order)

Ordered the dehydration and starvation of Terri Schindler Schiavo

Ignored Governor Bush's Executive Order to immediately stay withholding of nutrition and hydration from Terri and "immediately provide nutrition and hydration to Theresa Schiavo"...

Ordered that a DNR (do not resuscitate) order be placed in her record

Adultery

Fathering a child out-of-wedlock

Breach of Fiduciary Duty

Had not taken mandatory guardianship classes until of late

Has not filed guardianship plan with court for past 3 years - last one filed listed "nothing" under plan of action for Terri's care

Moved Terri to Hospice without court approval or knowledge and without 2 physicians diagnosing Terri as "terminal."

Medical and nursing care abuse and neglect

Denied and obstructed provisions for meeting physical, emotional, psycho/social spiritual and rehabilitative needs

Has not had Rehabilitative Therapy since l991

Denied or severely restricted Terri's parents, brother and sister from visiting and having normal interaction and relationships with Terri as well as other family and friends

On two occasions ordered caretakers not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infections

Consistently withheld medical information and data from Terri's family which violated a specific court order of l996 [Michael is continuing to violate this court order!]

Has used her medical fund money from malpractice suit (1 million dollars) to pay his lawyer

Neglected to inquire about or act to seek care when a bone scan revealed lumbar spine compression fracture , other fractures and apparent traumatic injuries

Stopped Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski from giving Terri Holy Communion//Viaticum when she was being dehydrated and starved

Guardian Ad Litem report of Richard Pearse in l998 was ignored or rejected

Medicare payment for Terri for a period of time at hospice
Bill at Hospice remains unpaid

Quote source: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/for_the_life_of_terri_schiavo.html

109 posted on 08/08/2004 10:02:36 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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George Felos was on the board of directors of The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast-- the place where the first attempt was made to dehydrate Terri Schindler Schiavo to death!

George Felos, attorney for Michael Schiavo, was on the board of The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast from February 13, 1997 until at least April 26, 2001.

Terri, who had been living in a nursing home for six years and was and is decidedly NON-TERMINAL, was secretly moved to The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast in April of 2000.

One year later, beginning on Apr 24, 2001, Terri's gastric tube feeding was terminated by court order. (The court order was to remove her gastric tube, not to deny food and water by mouth, because such an order was not and is not legal.)

The day Terri's feeding tube was pulled, her siblings asked a nurse to give her some pudding:

"The day her feeding was stopped her brother and sister came by with a spoon and a cup of pudding, asking a nurse to try to feed her by mouth. The nurse refused and reported the request to others. When Schiavo found out he demanded that Bobby and Suzanne be removed from the list of approved visitors, and Greer rubberstamped his request." Terri Schiavo Wants to Live http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_live.htm

It is obvious that Judge Greer, et al know that Terri can swallow. Preventing Terri from having oral sustenance is not legal--not even if a judge, at the request of a disqualified guardian, has ordered the removal of her feeding tube.


If you will look at document linked to below (dated April 26, 2001), you will find that George J. Felos was deleted for his hospice director position at about the same time those in collusion with him were attempting to exterminate Terri Schindler Schiavo!

See: Documents link: OFFICIAL 2001 FILING FOR HOSPICE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2001/0502/186011A9.tif

OFFICIAL 1997 FILING FOR HOSPICE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/1997/0217/90126249.TIF

Which doctors were willing to bogus papers stating that Terri Schindler Schiavo was in a terminal condition? One cannot get admitted to hospice without a "terminal" certification. Or was Terri Schiavo placed in The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast because someone on the board of directors pulled some strings?

110 posted on 08/08/2004 10:52:29 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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More evidence that Gov. Bush was perfectly aware that he already had the authority to put a stop to the heinous dehydration Terri Schindler Schiavo was undergoing at the behest of her unqualified (illegal) "guardian."


http://societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_6.htm

http://societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_6.htm

http://societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_2.htm

http://societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_3.htm

Gov. Jeb Bush ignored the attorney's advice and instead, supported the Scientology solution--Terri's Law. This law worked to keep the attention away from the felonies Michael Schiavo has been committing--with the sanction of the court. These felonies "happen" to be the same ones Scientology perpetrated against Lisa McPherson: abuse/neglect of a disabled adult, the practice of medicine without a license, dehydration.

111 posted on 08/08/2004 11:20:44 PM PDT by Lisa Ruby

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