Warning: Minors DO Read
Google requires visitors to click a
button to certify that they are over 18 years old in order to view the alt.suicide.holiday (ASH) and alt.suicide.methods
(ASM) newsgroups, but I know of one teenaged highschooler who is a regular
poster and several teens (even fourteen year-olds) have posted seeking suicide advice.
Teenagers do read and post to these forums. This fact is disturbing
because according to the CNN article about Suzy Gonzales, a
nineteen-year-old college student who posted at ASH (Squeegy1) for nine weeks before her tragic
suicide, about 4,000 people between the ages of 15 and 24 commit suicide
every year. 
Below are examples of posts teenagers
have made to suicide forums that are manned by individuals who are
furthering the "Save the Planet, Kill Yourself" agenda of the
Church of Euthanasia.
In a Feb. 6, 2003 thread titled,
"I'm only 17," a teenaged girl shared her pressing urge to slit her
wrists and revealed that she might not make it through the night without
doing serious harm to herself:
Im not sure I can take hating
myself much longer without cutting
myself. Cutting mysel has always, always, always made me feel
better.. but I cant do that anymore... But right now I just feel
like slitting my wrists. I have the things to do it with righ here,
I was laying down with them in my bed and just letting it lay on my
arm and feeling the.. the cool
blade laying upon me. I dont know... honesty I dont know If I can
make the night without hurtting myself one way or another. Im
already starting to take a bunch of pills again.
Only two posters responded to this
teenager's anguished post. One poster commiserated with her but
nobody urged her to tell her a trusted friend or adult about her
suicidal compulsions! As a matter of fact, ASHers urge posters not
to tell anyone about their suicidal feelings lest anyone interfere with
the "success" of their suicide. They attempt to sanitize this diabolical
advice by saying that if you share your urges to kill yourself with
others they will feel guilty if you carry through with it. They are not
keen on mentioning that others might be able to help you cope with the
problems that are driving you toward suicide.
In 2002 a seventeen-year-old boy, under
the user name
started the thread,
"I Want to Die in a Week" to appeal for help with methods to kill himself:
So I want to die in a week, the
reason simple : my life is a mess.
I want to die in a week because something teribble happend to me
and i want to find some cheap alternative and accesible (for a 17yrs
old) metods so i don't have to resort to throwing myself of from the
window. I accept any suggestions you may have.
While other some other posters tried to
gently dissuade this seventeen-year-old young man from his self-destructive course, "Lonewolf"
(post #4) castigated them for for their efforts:
a rather narrow-minded view if you
ask me. you cant generalize experience. nor pain. i hate it when
people seem to think that if youre 17
then suicide isnt an option.
Poster #6 did his level-best to
convince the 17-year-old to IGNORE the advice that things would get
better if he just held on:
That's xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx! I was told
the same thing when I was 17.
Don't give up, Don't give up! I'm now xxxxxxx 26 yrs old, and
life xxxxx more than it EVER did when I was xxxxxxx
17!!! At least I some friends back
then. Now I'm busting my xxx, working hard with nothing to show for
it! (See post #6)
This seventeen-year-old male was
practically being urged to commit suicide by some individuals on
ASH! Indeed, poster #9 saw it that way:
OK, so several of you think it would
have been better to advise the 17
year old to off himself immediately......interesting.
As is typical for ASH, poster #26,
(whose user name is a take on "Grim Reaper") took poster 9 to task for
doing the decent thing and speaking out against those who
validated a seventeen-year-old boy's plan to take his own life!
Lessons Are Conducted Privately
One can only wonder how
much suicide tutoring for teens is conducted by ASHers in private. Below
is the sad account of one teenager who received all the ASH assistance he
needed to end his life:
An English member of ASH, Simon
Kelly, 17, who hanged himself in July 2001, never posted to the
newsgroup, but communicated with other members on an
instant-messaging system. The woman who last chatted with Kelly
tried to talk him out of it.
Before killing himself, the teen
created a website that included goodbye notes to his family and
friends. A letter found next to his corpse contained the address for
the site, which opened with the message: "Hi and welcome to the
homepage of my death." 
Conditioning Posts: For Teens
Many ASH threads appear to be started
for the purpose of suicide conditioning. Teens are especially vulnerable
to such conditioning. For example, the thread, "17-year-old
hanged himself" was started for the purpose of sharing a news
article about a high school basketball player who died as a result of
hanging. A poster (Celeste) remarked about the motives for sharing this
Why do you love this stuff? What is
The poster's answer was contained
within a question:
Why are we here? Why are we in
Ashers are here to promote the
legitimacy of suicide. Announcing deaths by suicide is essential to
In 2002 a 17-year-old suicidal male
started a thread called
"Help" on ASH's sister group, alt.suicide.methods.
This young man, like most suicidal
people, mixed up God's doings with Satan's doings. He was under the
impression that God
was trying to destroy him.
I can't stand failure -- I once
a 4.1 student before God decided to destroy me.
I have a whirling feeling like
being sucked down the drain slowly and
watching the world from a dizzying dream. I cannot continue...
I have had enough of this life. I
am looking for a quick way to go,
preferably painless and with minimal chance of survivability...
It is Satan who came to steal, kill and
destroy, not God:
The thief cometh not, but for
to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might
have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. John
Core ASHers/ASMers often post in such a way that reinforces the satanic notions that
God is evil,
Christians are evil, and that there is no hope.
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