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ASH's "We Don't Encourage Suicide"
Stance: Mind Gamess
ASHers claim to be
pro-choice in regard to suicide, but the actions of
many belie their stance. While they advocate suicide
or "self-deliverance" as a valid "choice," they also
claim that they do not encourage suicide. The
ASHers'
dishonestly narrow definition of what it means to
"encourage suicide" is
as follows:
Encouraging suicide means that you
directly tell
a person to commit suicide. Anything else
that you do that causes a person to feel positive about
suicide or that facilitates suicide does not count as suicide encouragement.
The
alt.suicide.methods (ASM) newsgroup, which exists
for the purpose of discussing "how to do yourself
in" or how to exit this life, is filled with suicide
tutors who are fond of saying that
nobody encourages suicide on their forum:
"We only
share information [about how to commit suicide,]
that is all!"
It is telling that those who continue
to live are the ones who provide detailed
instructions about how to kill oneself. While it is
usually impossible to know how many years a suicide
tutor has been assisting with suicides (they tend to change
their user names to hide their not-so-surprising
longevity) some posters have used the same
pseudonym for years.
Some ASM posters
provide
medical instructions to inquirers for what they
perceive to be the altruistic reason of making sure
that those who seek to "catch the bus" don't botch
(survive or survive with any degree of impairment)
their suicide attempts. These posters insist that
they don't encourage suicide simply because they
refrain from making such blunt statements such as:
"I hope you commit suicide," "Why don't you go kill
yourself," "You do need to commit suicide," and so
on. Providing instructions on suicide method for the
purpose of ensuring the death of an individual is
assisting suicide. Those who do so--regardless of
their motives--are participating in the death of
another person.
Those who
Discourage Suicide are
Said to Cause Suicide
Some ASHers accuse
those who discourage suicide of causing people to
commit suicide. They maintain that if you don't
affirm
a depressed person's desire to kill himself you are against
him personally as an individual. One of their favorite mind
manipulation ploys is to say that when you tell
people that suicide is wrong (and that demonic
affliction is behind their urges to die) you are
actually priming them for suicide. They say that if
you tell a person who cuts herself that
she is being demonically afflicted and needs to
surrender to the Lord Jesus Christ who has the
deliver her from the power of darkness, that you are
driving her to suicide!
It follows that
certain ASHers encourage suicide
by affirming and condoning suicidal feelings and inclinations.
For example, a
new poster started the thread,
"suicide obsession is like my drug,"
in order to share her compulsion to obsess about
suicide. An ASH regular (who posts under a "death"
user name-see post #6) reinforced the poster's
suicide ideation by sending the message that his
own decision to commit suicide has been an empowering
and liberating experience and that his stress
level has been greatly reduced ever since he made the decision to commit
suicide. Now do not misunderstand me. It is possible
to empathize with a poster's constant suicidal
musings without reinforcing this behavior.
ASH insiders present people
who share the gospel with the suicidal as evil
predators who drive people toward suicide. They
do everything they can to influence readers of their
forum to discount as rubbish all references to God
and the Bible—unless
of course, such references are deprecatory in
nature. It is not surprising that the satanic Church
of Euthanasia, whose satanic depopulation philosophy
is promoted on alt.suicide.holiday, uses the same
tactics. I have dedicated an article to this subject
called "God
is Evil" Conditioning posts.
In the economy of ASH
amorality, if a poster validates
a person's desire to die and commiserates with him
about his perception of a hopelessly ruined life, he
is actually encouraging him to live. This is
exactly what they communicate on their forums, in an
attempt to defend their indefensible
"ministry."
While it is true that depressed, isolated people
need a place to share their innermost feelings and
burdens, it is not true that affirming their desire
to kill themselves points them away from suicide. To
validate suicide is to encourage suicide!
Another way that
many ASHers encourage suicide is to remain silent
when a regular poster indicates that he or she is
finalizing suicide plans. I have observed suicidal
posters send obvious calls for help on the forum and
watched the ASH insiders ignore them. ASH predators know when
a person is serious about committing suicide and
their expression of indifference or posting of
inflammatory remarks serves to push the despairing "over the edge." I have observed this calculated
behavior several times on the forum.
ASHers maintain that you
cannot talk a person into suicide if he does not want
to die. That may be true, but you can definitely
condition suicidal individuals to take that
final step into eternity by reassuring them
that suicide is a "right" and that it is acceptable to God. The thread, "Encouraging
Suicide is Not Free Choice," is one example of
such conditioning. A person said in post #9 that he
was taking a college course on the subject of death
and dying and wondered if God was using the course
to help him "make the transition." Suicide
pacts (offered by those who are not truly suicidal)
are also regularly advertised on ASH.
ASM
Regular Encouraged Poster to Shoot Herself
The
"Depression and Suicide" alt.suicide.methods
thread, which was started on June 17, 2006, is an
example of blatant suicide encouragement that
is typical of the suicide forums. The poster queried
the ASM forum for a workable suicide method:
I
feel tht i have had enough i have nothing happy
in my life. i have
already slashed my wrists but they have stopped
bleeding, i want to
know how i can cut myself so that i can bleed to
death. i feel that i
have nothink to live for. any suicide methods
are welcome as i havent
found anythink that has worked yet.
"Doesnt matter" responded with some lethal advice
in a speedy seven minutes:
Slitting
yourself won't work.
Go for the shotgun! [post #2]
After
the poster replied that acquiring a gun was not
possible, "doesnt matter" suggested another way to
die:
Suspension hanging? [post #4]
The
poster was willing to try to kill herself via
suspension hanging if she had more information so
"doesnt matter" provided a link to a
how-to-hang-yourself page on the ASH archives
website, which is hosted by the Church of
Euthanasia's cardinal,
Karin Spaink.
[post #6]
The
ASHers/ASMers who knowingly promote the COE agenda are
committed to (1) providing precise and sure-to-work
suicide tutoring, conditioning and encouragement and
(2) preventing people from believing that suicide
takes a person from distressing earthly
circumstances to an eternity in hell that is
immeasurably worse than the pain they are presently
enduring and that can be alleviated by the
power of God.
Some
ASHers are convinced that my warnings about the
terrible fate that awaits those who die without
being reconciled to God are "causing a lot of pain
to vulnerable people." One ASHer wrote:
She's also causing
a great deal of pain to vulnerable people.
But I'm almost certain that she enjoys causing
pain to people.
Actually, lovingly warning about the
reality of
hell is the kindest thing you can do for an
individual who is about to put himself there.
Suicide and Satan's Rewards
Suicide by hanging is a recurring theme on the
Google Groups suicide forums. The Church of
Euthanasia (COE) Cardinal, Karin Spaink rightly
revealed that
gods
(demons) are involved in suicides. Ms Spaink also
revealed what it takes to become a martyr of the COE
and how COE members can receive bonus points. Her
comments reveal that she is aware that suicide is serious business in
the satanic realm. See:
Karin Spaink's Martyr of the COE Remarks
I
believe that Karin Spaink's remarks indicate that
those who commit suicide due to the the Church of
Euthanasia's influence will become martyrs of the
'church' and I am certain that whoever has a part in causing suicides
will receive bonus points (increased rank in Satan's
kingdom). Those who aid Satan in his quest to kill
and destroy human beings will be compensated in
this
world, but they will receive the unending wrath of a
holy and righteous God in the next.
Soliciting For
Suicide
Soliciting for suicide partners is a frequent
practice on ASH/ASM. The most commonly stated reason
for seeking a suicide partner is to help make one's
'exit' less lonely or less frightening. The sad
irony is that
suicide sentences the one who commits it to an
eternity of loneliness and fright in outer darkness where there
is weeping
and gnashing of teeth.
The
poster who lures another into making a suicide pact
is accountable not only for his own rejection of
God's rightful authority over his life but also for enticing another to
take that final, irrevocable step into eternity.
Below are some examples of suicide solicitation.
(I chose not to provide links to these threads.)
These
individuals who advertised for suicide partners live
close to the
COE headquarters:
Hi, I'm interested in finding one or more
suicide
partners -- I think I
have a better chance of actually going through
with it and setting up a
reliable method if it's a joint effort. I'm in
the Boston,
Massachusetts area, but could travel.
Email or respond here if interested, thanks. (post #1 Looking For a
Suicide Partner)
I'd really like to ctb, but all the methods seem
either too painful,
too unreliable, and/or too complicated to
implement -- at least to me.
But maybe with a
partner, I'd have more success. Any
chance there's
anyone in the Boston, Massachusetts area
who'd like to join forces?
Respond here or email, thanks. (Post #1 Looking
For A Boston Area Suicide Partner)
Some
are willing to travel to find someone to join them
in suicide:
hello, I am
looking for a suicide
partner to discuss plans and to spend
those last moments with. I can travel anywhere
in the united states. (post #1 Suicide Partner
Needed)
Most hope that
partnering with another will ease their fear to do
what is totally unnatural:
I think having a
suicide partner
would be nice. I think it could ease some of
the fear. But yeah, it could cause problems if
one doesn't make it, is rescued or whatever. I
wish it were easier to
suicide... (Post
#1 I
Wish I Had a Suicide Partner/s)
Some posters seek
information about how to find a suicide partner:
Where exactly does
one find a reliable
suicide partner? In Japan, it
seems to be some readily available method to
search out a sucide buddy? Anyone got any
good info? (post #1 Suicide Partners)
Even young teens
solicit for suicide partners:
I hope somebody
will answer to this although I guess there
aren't many
people from Brussels in these newsgroups. I am
thinking about jumping from a building. If you
are from Brussels, please reply, seriously. In
case you
think that a 15 year old teen shouldn't commit
suicide,
better don't reply. (post #1 Suicide Partner For
Brussels)
Tragically, this
poster was not aware that suicide is the entrance to
hell rather than the exit:
I'm a guy from
germany, 26 years old and I want to leave this
f-----'
hell. I'd like to leave with somebody at my side
who comes from
germany, netherlands, belgoum or somewhere from
scandinavia. It's no
joke and I'd like to go next weekend. If you
also want to leave this
world, send me an email and we will organize our
last act. (Suicide Partner)
ASH/ASM regulars
also post news reports of people who have died in
suicide pacts. These news postings are yet another
example of
suicide conditioning.
Update: See the first
post in the thread,
How to Spot a Predator for information about a
predator who lures his victims in via suicide pacts.
Suicide
Announcements
Suicide announcements
are an ASH conditioning mainstay. Announcements that
posters are about to kill themselves or have taken their lives
make suicide more real and more attainable in the minds
of genuinely suicidal readers. Responses to "I'm
ready to CTB" announcements are usually, "Wish you
luck" or "I envy you." Suicide
announcements do not have to be authentic to produce
the desired conditioning effect. As long as the core
posters hold that a suicide report is genuine, the
conditioning takes root in the readers' minds.
Suicide reports on ASH are generally taken at
face value, with no proof provided. Since any user name can be
reported to be dead,
a
suicide report is not a confirmed suicide.
When I commented on this irresponsible suicide
reporting, I was descended upon with much anger.
I noticed that three
suicide announcements were posted to ASH within a
one week time frame. No obituary or other proof of
death was provided, only hearsay. One individual's
suicide was initially "confirmed" by a
password-protected memorial website. Further details
have been disclosed and I am now fairly certain the
young man who posted to ASH for a time actually took
his life. However, please note that a
memorial website alone is not a verifiable confirmation of
the death of a particular ASH poster. Anyone
can put up a website with a picture of an individual
with his friends and family and claim that the
person on the website was an ASH poster who killed
himself. Since the website is password
protected, it would be easy to hide a fraudulent
memorial website.
ASHers typically
announce a suicide by starting a thread with a
statement to the effect that an ASH poster has CTB'd (caught
the bus). (I have even seen the use of the phrase,
"passed away" in reference to suicide which conditions
the reader to view suicide as a normal death. A
suicide is a forced self-killing, not a natural
death!) ASHers typically express a sense of loss
when they have been told a fellow ASHer has "caught
the bus" but they usually post remarks that
reinforce the lies that suicide was the "best
option" and the one that took his life has ceased to exist or is now at peace.
ASH's resident poster mentioned
here keeps a record of every poster
who commits suicide following his/her interaction
with this newsgroup. While the suicide recorder
insists that these suicides are authentically
documented, I am unable to verify this assertion
because he insisted on dispensing the information to
me via email attachment, which I chose not to open.
I am disturbed that
he feels
compelled to record ASH-affiliated suicides because core ASHers
consider these deaths to be success stories. Whether genuine or fake,
suicide announcements have a profound effect on
alt.suicide.holiday and alt.suicide.methods readers.
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